3X17 The Jolly Roger – Main Show – The Eyes Have It – 220

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Episode Name: The Jolly Roger

Episode Number 220

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Chuck

Poor Snow. She wants to be out fighting bad guys, not cooped-up watching a crib “not” get put together; boring!
Mr. Smee dreaming of cheese. Hilarious.
Stay off the sidewalks in StoryBrooke. What’s next? Is David going to let Henry shot his police hand gun? David should know he can’t compete with a guy that dresses as a pirate.
So does Hook scam all his meals with a pair of loaded dice?
Hook back in the Enchanted Forest keeps yearning and referencing “her”. Don’t need to get hit over the head with a piece of wood to understand what that is all about.
Best Scene – Really enjoy how its been established that Regina is now part of the family. No one blinked an eye when she just walked into the apartment without knocking. Also, when Snow announced dinner at Granny’s, they didn’t have to ask Regina, as it’s now expected she is invited. It was great to see her sitting with the Charmings, Emma, and Henry.
Going forward –
When Hook was looking through his spyglass in Mr. Gold’s shop, he scanned a black and white photo of a lady with an early 1900’s hair style. Nothing on this show seems to happen by chance, so why show the photo? Does this woman have a connection to maybe Zelena?
So is Emma more powerful than Zelena?

Email points:

Daniel in regards to “It’s not easy being Green”

Hey Jeff and Colleen!
Before I get into the comments, let me just say that my kids think I do a GREAT Kermit voice!  ;)  If another OUAT episode is titled “Songs about Rainbows”, I’ll try to leave voice feedback w/a rendition!
Now, (1) Purple blanket and green ribbon, same colors as The Joker!  (AGAIN!), 

as well as (2) Yes Jeff, I saw the Dutch angles too!  All we needed were the fight scene captions “POW!!”  “BAM!!”  “BIFF!!”  “WHAM!!!”  

(3) Zelena’s foster father paraphrasing the Dark Knight Joker with, “Put on a good face,” or “Let’s put a SMILE on that face!”
(4) Zelena’s foster mother kind of reminds me of Martha Kent (esp. from “Smallville”), seeing the child as a gift.
(5) Yup, the funeral, Rumple felt every shovel full of dirt hitting the coffin, aka, Yoda feeling every Jedi that was killed in Revenge of the Sith.
(6) Finally,  Zelena, coming in at Grannie’s like in Munchkin Land, out of nowhere!!  All she needed to do was fly off on her broomstick and write “SURRENDER REGINA!!!”  in the sky!!
Peace,
Dan

Ro

Have you guys noticed that everyone who has been involved with or encountered Zelena this season has green eyes? It is creepy and I have been noticing it more and more. Hook used to be one of the last hold outs, but after his encounter with Zelena his eyes were green. Is it just me or am I just seeing too much green and making this up?
 
In the show the writers have designed Zelena’s character to put it nicely as a plain jane. This is not to say that I don’t like the actress. I have seen other pictures of her and she is gorgeous. Zelena’s makeup is not dramatic like the other characters and I wonder why. It may be me, but it doesn’t even seem pretty which is why I wondered about Rumple’s letter to Cora. He said that Zelena was stunning. Zelena’s character is not shown to be stunning and it seems like it is on purpose. Is it possible that Zelena may be enchanting people? Maybe that is why her adopted father was scared of her? Did he see something in her eyes? Come to think about she always stares people directly in the eyes when she talks to them and does not break contact.
 
It is sad that Hook is finally getting what he wants from Emma, but has to back off. Do you think he will take Smead up on his offer to leave Storybrooke in an attempt to save Emma and Storybrooke?
 
I find it strange that Henry can’t hear everyone whispering around him? He must have caught something.
 
David and Mary Margaret are the typical grandparents. It is so cute that they want to be fun.
 
Zelena must have known that Bae her older brother died. Shouldn’t she feel something? Not to get anyone’s hopes up, but maybe she thinks this new curse will bring him back. Also why didn’t she help? If she knows everything going on in the town surely knew that Bae was dying. If she wanted a family so bad why would she not help Bae?
 
I wonder what Zelena would be like if she had met Bae or Regina before Rumple. If she met Bae she wouldn’t be as needy because he would have showered her with love. If she met Regina they probably would have been really good friends. If she had tried to meet her family she wouldn’t be what she calls wicked today.
 
I think Zelena wants to go back in time to meet Cora. I think that Cora took her heart out so that she could give up Zelena. Any mother would struggle to give up her child. As Cora said love is weakness. Her love for Rumple and Zelena made her weak so she got rid of them. I also think that she tried to save Zelena from Rumple.
 
Zelena doesn’t look like Rumple to me. She looks more like the King in the palace that told Cora not to run off with the imp. Henry’s father
 
 
Big Love x1000
 
Ro

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Brad

Hello Jeff and Colleen, here are the Things I Learned this week in the episode, Jolly Roger.

#1. The best part of being a rat is the
       mobility.

#2. Decoding enemy battle plans is
      nothing compared to building a
      baby crib.

#3. You better have fresh coffee when
      going on a stakeout with Regina.

#4. Smee’s torso is not built for out
      running flying monkeys.

#5. Emma doesn’t yearn.

#6. Regina’s spell book does not
       include Spanish cuisines.

#7. Rumple doesn’t suffer fools.

#8. Sheriffs don’t worry about
      legalities.

#9. Hook’s spyglass has been
      cleaned since Neverland.

#10. Zelena needs to learn the
        boundaries of intimate space
        while talking with people.

Here are some Observations and Burning Questions.

OBSERVATIONS:

Blackbeard tells Hook, “If you want your ship back, then take it.” This is similar to the conversation Hook had with Rumple in The Crocodile, “If you truly want your wife back, all you have to do is take her”. I guess what goes around comes around.

Blackbeard reminded me more of Captain Hook from the Disney movie.

When I first saw that Ariel was back, I thought they may start including her in more episodes which would have been excellent! But when we see that it’s really just Zelina, it was clear that this was her wrap up storyline. Why else would Regina push Emma to use the mirror magically?  All we had to go on was Zelena’s word, so we had to physically see that she was telling the truth in order for there to be no doubt. It looks like she may no longer be “part of our world”.

The claw that Emma picked up made me think of “The other fairytale show of that which we do not speak”. In the episode Bears Will Be Bears, a ceremonial claw called a Jagerbar was used.

Regina looked very concerned when she thought Emma fell to her death on the bridge. This is a different woman than the one who was willing to sacrifice Emma and Snow in the well portal in season two.

The episode title card had David’s truck driving through, which is odd because it only played a minor part in the story. I figured it would have had something to do with Ariel, Blackbeard or the Jolly Roger.

Zelena as Ariel made a point to say “After Pan failed”, which is funny because during the first half of the season, all we heard was how Pan never fails. How crazy would it be if both of them teamed up!

Hook said, “few people have held a dagger to my throat and lived to tell the tale”. The most notable one that comes to mind, is Emma, when she first met him in The Crocodile.

Burgers and beer is only $4.99 at Granny’s.

While I was watching The Empire Strikes Back the other night, I heard the Emperor tell Vader, “His compassion for you will be his undoing”. You probably caught this a long time ago but this was the first time I connected it with Once Upon A Time.

BURNING QUESTIONS:

If Zelena is successful in her second chance. We may get a “what if Regina never cast the curse” for a season 4. What things would be different? Would the world be better or worse without Regina?

In Skin Deep, when Belle kissed Rumpel, his Dark One curse started to break. If Belle kisses him again, would it free him from Zelena’s power?

Who wrote the book and where is it?
Will it be the key to bringing back Henry’s memories? Did anybody check Mary Margaret’s closet yet?

Was the picture in gold shop possibly his mother?

That’s it for this week.

- Brad

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Lina

Hi guys! Love your show. My husband and kids and I are huge oncers.  Think you make a great couple.
I had a thought regarding the whole Hook having to kiss Emma. If the wicked witch wanted to really force Hook to kiss her she could put Emma in a sleeping curse. That would be a lose/lose situation for him because only a true loves kiss would wake her but as a side effect Emma  would lose her powers that would suck!
Anyway I can’t believe season 3 almost over!!

Take care,
Lina

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Aleana

I like this episode love the scenes between Regina teaching Emma magic love that Regina was mad that Emma is wasting her talents love seeing Ariel back but I knew Zelena was Ariel in the shop because when she was telling Belle I know your working on trying to get Rumple away from Zelena and when her and Hook following the cloak and went into the water because why wouldn’t she go in the water and see where the cloak went she just assume Prince Eric was dead love the fight scene with Hook and Blackbeard we need more sword fighting in this show love the scene with Grandpa Charming teaching Henry to drive even though

(Instead of driving) I wish Charming taught Henry about sword fighting and Henry has a deja vu moment saying wow I know how to sword fight they could’ve have the Blue fairy conjure up a fake battlefield in the woods or park have Snow teach Henry how to shoot arrows I know Snow pregnant but I’m pretty sure she can still shoot arrows

Love Regina Emma and Snow saying No to Henry when he ask to drive to Granny Love seeing Regina being part of the family and being comfortable walking in the Charmings apartment having dinner with them at the end you can tell she getting use to being with them hope we see more of that Even though I’m not a CaptainSwan shipper I don’t get the hype I felt sorry for Hook I love Hook just don’t like Emma and Hook even though I like Henry in this episode I’m ready for him to get his memory back already.
My question is since Zelena curse Hook lips and if he kiss Emma her magic would go away but if Emma kiss him would it have the same effect now we know Zelena can’t killed Emma and I believe Rumple or Regina can’t either does this means Emma is more powerful then all of them does this also mean Charmings baby is just as powerful as Emma and that why Zelena want the baby and also assume she wants Prince Phillip and Aurora baby too because the writers had said that Charmings baby and Aurora baby supposed to collide So Zelena can’t hurt Emma but can hurt the people she loves if that the case why didn’t she had Walsh kidnapped or hurt Henry why they was in New York I think she can’t hurt Henry either and her threats are just empty threats look forward to listening

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Clara

Hi Jeff and Colleen,
In your Jolly Roger podcast you said you were surprised that Regina just walked into the Charmings’ apartment without knocking. My impression was that she had already been in the room and was just outside the door casting the protection spell. Her magic potion box is on the table when she walks in and she’s holding two vials that she puts back in the box.
Clara

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Maii

This episode just killed me it was so wonderful and perfect and it hurts and we got practical confirmation of Captain Swan TL. I love the Regina and the Charmings (Charming can beat a dragon, monsters, evil queens, etc but he is bested by ikea) but I will dedicate this to Killian Jones..
In the past year: 
Killian as a Knight -> It’s something that Robin Hood would do, and the voice was very deep and it was perfect. Plus hint back to the dolls.. Killian can now fill both the knight and the lieutenant 
Ariel in the flashback was perfect. She saw right through his bs. 
 “A fake reputation is all a man has” He didn’t want her screwing up the only thing he still has. 
Snow -> when she took that potion to forget Charming, she was terrible to everyone around her and was prepared to kill Regina
Charming -> When he thought Snow didn’t love him he was reckless to the point of suicidal
Killian -> Went back to that ruthless pirate who cares for no one but himself, he did it because he literally thought he had nothing left. He thinks all that has got left is the Jolly Roger. But he’s still deeply in love with Emma he can’t even have sex with a hooker.

Honestly? He doesn’t know Ariel or Eric he owes them nothing. 
It’s a blurred line if Hook is talking about his ship or Emma a lot in these flashbacks. It’s important to know that most sailors refer to their vessels as ‘she’ and ‘her’ but I think he’s clearly projecting just a little too hard here. 
Killian Jones tried to go back to being Captain Hook but he couldn’t. It IS NOT because he is a pirate. It IS NOT because he is without the Jolly Roger, his ship, home and heart.IT IS simply because he has become a hero. He is no longer that double crossing pirate that Emma encountered in the Enchanted Forest. Killian is a hero. He reunites families and believes in happy endings. This was a character trait he ALWAYS possessed but was only brought in him when Emma inspired him to be good. When Emma pulled out Killian Jones who was buried under Captain Hook. When he allowed his heart to fall in love with Emma Swan.
Killian Jones will never be the persona of Captain Hook again.

J- Those we love can spur us on to be better than we are.

Blackbeard: He looked like Cartoon Hook, so technically Killian Jones was fighting the pirate version of himself.
Honestly I think we will see him again, the ship was docked, he looked a little too happy to be pushed/jump, and we didn’t see his body

J – Will we see Blackbeard again? Maii reminds us.

“No body no dead” 
Storybrooke: 
The Captain Charming and Captain Cobra were perfect. Hook teaching Henry to cheat and using Fries as chips, priceless. 
Zelena mentions spies: I would bet my rations on one of them being Smee, they spent a lot of time mentioning how much of a rat he is, even after being turned back into a human.  

J – Makes sense, because he is disillusioned with Hook.

Killian Jones was trying to right his wrongs and trying to be a stand up guy. He was trying to be a man of honor and help Ariel after he had screwed her over and he was used for it. He screwed over everything without meaning to.  
“I do still believe in love”
after 300+ years, losing Liam, Milah, Bae, the Jolly Roger, and Emma (not to mention, for the short term, now her/his family and son and home in Storybrooke) Killian Jones still believes in love
And this is why he’s such an inspirational character even after all the hardness of his life he still believes he still has hope.

J – In the jaded day we live, how many times can a person start over and try to be better? Is there a point when its too late?

Captain Swan:
We learn that Killian Jones is a swooning fangirl. I mean pretending to faint/be unconscious during the fight with Cora? We see what you are doing. 

http://exquisitelyfortunate.tumblr.com/post/82672500044/underrated-captain-swan-moment-8 

Emma has maintained for a while that all she needs to be happy is Henry. She’s only now beginning to see how wrong she is about that.
In the wake of losing Emma, Hook thought all he needed to be happy was the Jolly Roger. When Ariel leaves, hurt and betrayed, he realizes he was wrong.
In Straight on til Morning, they paralleled Hook making the wrong choice in Neverland (handing Bae over to the Lost Boys) with him making the right one in Storybrooke (coming back with the bean).
The same thing happens in The Jolly Roger, where Hook tries to make amends for a terrible mistake that he regrets.

J – Regrets like the tree. Regrets hold you back.

Only this time, he gets tricked by the villain, who uses his feelings for Emma and his guilt and shame against him.
To break this cycle…they need to confront their feelings. Both of them. Emma has to finally own up to what she feels for Killian and accept that he’s just as much a part of her happy ending as Henry is. Killian needs to trust in what he feels for her and fully commit himself to the heroic path. It’s a hard road for two people as broken as they are, but it’ll be worth it in the end.
The moment in the mirror is so gorgeous and so important, Emma has to focus on a true love couple being reunited together, and what she sees – and the image that makes her eyes to flutter – is her and Killian together, she sees them together and this is how she finds a way to spark her magic. 
Magic is emotion, and here, it’s hope, it’s love, that had Emma doing this.
She used the hope and love of a true love couple to find another one. Her reflection with Killian at her side is what made her make magic
*I swear on Emma Swan*
If anyone ever questions hook’s sincerity after this breathtaking performance by Colin O’Donoghue then I seriously have absolutely no words, look at this man’s genuine remorse, his entire heart is reflected on his face. 
There’s no light in his eyes, he feels more terrible than anyone can ever make him feel, his soul is screaming for release through his eyes and he’s holding everything in and there’s no one to comfort him no one to tell him it’s okay. No one to tell him his mistakes have been forgiven and he’ll always hate himself for this because he’s not a terrible man, he’s an honorable one. and all he ever wanted was to hold emma swan and never let her go. 
He wanted her to feel the kind of love she deserved and he lost her quicker than he won her heart and missing her destroyed him. Now all he can think about is how he’ll ever be worthy again when he has no idea that she’ll forgive him and she already has because she understands his intentions and she knows his heart she’ll see that the mistake is something he deeply regrets, she’ll heal him by making him feel just as loved as he’s always made her feel. 
Plus this makes it so the ball is in her court, she’s going to have to be the one to go after him bc so far it’s been him after her and now he can’t because he loves her and he cares about her family and he doesn’t want them hurt. So he’s gonna be pushing her away and she’s going to have to push back. 
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Zelena and TLK 
Zelena doesn’t understand TLK or maybe she doesn’t trust that Emma loves Killian back bc honestly? Any curse can be broken by TLK.. We already had a failed TLK with CS now comes the real thing. 
Or maybe she knew exactly what she was doing and she knew that Killian was going to push Emma away in order to protect her. The same kiss that could take away her curse and bring back EVERYONE’S memories of the Lost Year. There’s something in that last yr that she doesn’t want anyone to know and she is taking every precaution to make sure this doesn’t happen. 
I mean she had to know something about Emma, she sent Walsh after all didn’t she? Not only that but we were explicitly told that the Firstborn is more important magic-wise etc and who’s the first born? Emma
CS is the only couple that has all their memories intact they are the only ones that can do this. Zelena had to get them out of the way. 
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Hook looking at Granny’s
That scene at the end though? do you know why he looks so broken?
because he did it. he finally broke through he walls and found a place into her life- into her heart. without any trickery he has emma swan’s trust and her love. he has a place in her life that she accepts and expects and wants. she wants him in her home and with her family and with her son
but now he can’t. now he is doomed to hurt her. if he kisses her, as he so desperately wants to, he will take what he believes to be the part of that makes her the savior. he thinks he will cause her harm and ruin and make her vulnerable. he thinks he could lead to her death. just. like. milah
and so now he sabotages the only happiness he has. now he is pushing away the people he loves and cares about and wants to be around because he refuses to allow another person he cares about to die

J – We’ve seen Emma build walls to keep love/hurt out and how waiting/pride/living to protect and not deal with the wounds of the past can cause you to miss great things in life by not taking a leap of faith. Life is all about risk, not about hiding from risks. Red flags are a good barometer, but not all life is a red flag.

http://killianthehero.tumblr.com/post/82634092953

Love, Maii 

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OUAT WonderCon 2014 Panel Review – 219

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Podcast Episode 219

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OUAT WonderCon Panel

4/19/14

Eddy Kitsis, Adam Horowitz, Rebecca Mader and Josh Dallas

Moderator was Jim Halterman

Jim asked, “What will we see next?”

Adam “A non-stop freight train of answers…The Wicked Witch has some pretty devious plans that she’s unfurling…”

Eddy “It’s gonna get wicked, that much I can tell you.”

Rebecca “Very wicked”

Eddy “Next week’s episode is one of my favorite Snow/Charming episode and we will find out all about all the Baby.”

Josh “…and we find out who cast the curse.”

Jim congratulated Josh as the Newlywed

Eddy mentioned that we were all on Josh’s bachelor party

Jim asked about Ginny. Josh said that Ginny’s doing great and wished she could be there.

Jim asked Rebecca about being cast as the Wicked Witch. She says it’s nerve-racking to play such an iconic role and such an iconic b-word, and she puts some British hot sauce on her own spin of
the Wicked Witch and not copy the other iterations of it.

She was also warned that she would get lots of hate mail, and she did get some, but she also has gotten lots of love from the fans which has been wonderful and surprising at the same time.

Jim asked if the days she had to wear the green makeup are good days or bad days. She told us that she would forget about the makeup and when she would go to the loo to have a wee-wee and turn around and Ahhh! It’s bonkers.

Jim asked about Charming’s journey moving forward. He said he’s trying to get to his Happy ending and hopefully he’ll get to it one day. He had to face his ultimate fear – the fear of being a father. When he owned up to that, that freed him up to go forward, but Zelena’s around and she wants his Baby. Like in Neverland, we’ll all have to pull together to defeat this foe, if possible.

Rebecca laughed and said “Good luck.”

Jim asked about Henry getting his memories back. Adam mentioned that Henry’s memory issues will be decided one way or another before the end of the Season.

Josh mentioned Jared will never drive his car ever again.

Guy #1 in the line asked about Wonderland.

Rumbelle fans – Adam and Eddy hope they see each other again. Adam loves the light and optimism with Belle.

Killing off Neal. A&E loved Michael Raymond James writing for and seeing the character he created. Neal will remain in our hearts and in flashbacks. We will see the echoes and ramifications of Neal’s death.

Josh mentioned that Neal’s death lives in all of the character’s hearts and fuels them to defeat Zelena.

What other character would Josh and Rebecca like to play, other than what they play now? Josh would love to play Rumpel. Rebecca would love to play Rumpel or the Evil Queen. She loves the villains.

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3X17 The Jolly Roger – First Thoughts – Star Wars, Raiders, Lost, POTC and more BBs – 218

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Date: April 13, 2014

Episode Title: The Jolly Roger

Podcast Number: 218

onceuponatimepodcast.com/218

Congrats to the most Charming Fairy Tale couple ever, Josh and Ginny got married on Saturday, April 12th in Los Angeles

http://www.justjared.com/2014/04/12/once-upon-a-times-ginnifer-goodwin-josh-dallas-married/

OUATIW Wrap Up panel

http://www.onceuponatimepodcast.com/217

Hook, a knight?

He sounded like Darth Vader

Magical fires being lit. In the dark, you assume there is at least one person behind each “torch”

Smee’s back. Smee is finally more Smee-like

Small army acting like a big army. Charade.

Smee mentioned the rat changing that Gold did to him. The curse breaking un-ratted him.

“You don’t need a ship to be a Pirate” Hook

We are getting a peek into the missing year of Hook.

“To Captain Hook” the last time we see him toasted was in Neverland.

What a gift Smee and his mates gave him, just because. I wonder what he got for his Birthday???

Noble Hook. Let the girl go.

“Pay for what?”

At least Ariel didn’t stab him in the neck with a dinglehopper.

Call Marco. Is there an Ikea in Storybrooke? What else do they sell there with Swedish instructions?

Regina is so part of the family now, she just walks in. No knock, no “Is everybody decent?” just walks in. Cool.

So, Blood Magic was not fool proof.

Regina protects Charming’s baby – in Mary Margaret’s apartment. This is not your Season One Regina.

Spells with Baby parts. Ew.

Emma has and uses magic, but can’t control it.

Yoda told Luke “Yoda: Control, control, you must learn control!”

Regina is Emma’s Yoda and Mr. Miyagi. This is a way of life. You have to fully commit to it.

No more Baby Tips for Henry.

The Charmings are fun!! Right?? Generation Gap.

“My Ship” – Hook. Where is it?

Smee loves Frozen Yogurt.

Smooth Hook.

Magic is part of you, Swan. Emma only uses Magic to complete a task, but Regina told her she needed to full commit to a way of life.

As much as you wish you could go back to your old life, you can’t. For Emma, its easy to go back, for Hook it’s not.

We can be as fun as a Pirate Captain.

Ariel’s back in her Ariel bikini, and a big coat probably loaned to her from Leroy. Thanks Leroy. :eye roll:

Ariel’s been looking for Eric, but didn’t tell anyone she left.

Ariel thinks Hook kidnapped Prince Eric. Dagger with BB on it that somehow Ariel “collected” from Blackbeard or someone else with the initials BB;
BB King?
Brooke Burke?
Bob Barker?
Benjamin Bratt?
Bridgette Bardot?
Bobby Brown?
Bilbo Baggins?
Bill Bixby?
Barbara Billingsley?
Bonnie Bedelia?
or Blackbeard.

Bilge Rats – Hook has ridden Pirates of the Caribbean! No offense, Mr. Smee. “I keep dreaming of cheese” Hopefully Swiss

Call to Adventure “Get back the Jolly Roger”

Blackbeard is the most cutthroat pirate ever to hoist a sail, next to you.

The Jolly Roger is more than a ship. It’s a her. A pirate’s life is forever.

Pirate’s code – Any valuable information a pirate captain ascertains shall be compensated in equal favor.

When do we leave? The group grows.

The secret to winning – Loaded dice, or cheating.

Ariel doesn’t remember.

Don’t touch anything. I said, don’t touch.

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Indiana Jones: Stay behind me, Short Round. Step where I step, and don’t touch anything.
[curious, Short Round touches a lamp. A door falls open, with two dessicated mummies falling out. Short Round yells and backpedals]
Short Round: I step where you step! I touch nothing!

The UnCharmings

Elvish. Half elvish. Rumple was a bully. If you didn’t learn, you drowned.

Teaching you to swim. Temple of Doom bridge.

Mr. Gold’s shop might have something of Prince Eric’s.

False Hope

Mercy isn’t a pirate Captain skill.

Being good is nothing to be ashamed of. I’m a pirate and always will be.

Belle.

Hook’s Spyglass spied Sea Creature clasp. Ursula.

Push those instincts.

Tree Cave. The trial. Reach into your gut. Save the bridge. Save yourself.

Emma did it. When all I wanted for you to retie the rope.

Wasted potential. Sometimes a student completes a task differently than the teacher.

Locator spell like Gold poured on Jefferson’s Hat.

Blackbeard vs. Hook

Peter Pan shadow sword fighting

A rescue mission for some wench.

Painful or quite painful

Deserted Island – Neverland?

Prove that Hook is no longer a Pirate

A choice; Surrender the Jolly Roger to me and I tell you where he is, or refuse and he dies along with me

Prince Eric drowned?

Charming teaching Henry to drive. Wow.

Blackbeard and the rest of the pirates has heard he was soft.

“At least I know that our story’s over.” Ariel

“You have a true heart. I’ll always be grateful that you tried to help me” Ariel

“Any man willing to swear an oath to me, shall be given quarter (Mercy)”. No quarter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_quarter

Selfish and Heartless. I feel sorry for you. You’ll never be happy. This is what drove him to go to New York?

Whatever it takes, I will find him.

Ariel and Hook swearing an oath/confession scene. Best scene ever!

I am so sorry, Ariel. The kind (of a person) who’s empty. I would give anything to take it back. To make things right. I still do (believe in love). I swear on Emma Swan.

Zelena is a shapeshifter. My spies are always circling through every realm.

Hangman island. Referring to the game that John Doe and Mary Margaret played? Outside the curse. Is Zelena lying?

To corrupt your love. She could see the guilt on Hook’s face. I knew it haunted you. I knew I could use it. She cursed his kiss to take her Magic and makes her special.

Hook believes in Emma. Hook knows that Zelena isn’t as powerful to just kill her outright. She can hurt those around Emma.

Hook will stop her. The hook can’t hurt a human, but an enchanted hook…

Zelena doesn’t do anything herself, she gets others to do what she can’t.

Really? That fish is in Storybrooke?

Regina tracks mermaid’s swimming speed.

Emma’s very powerful. Mirror portaling.

Reckless carefree fun side.

Skype.

I’m tired of living in the past. Boom Chicka Wow Wow

The Bread Shop and Killian’s lonely walk in Storybrooke.

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We were part of a OUATIW Wonderland Panel – Details Here – 217

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Links to the Once Upon a Time in Wonderland Wrap Up Live panel on 4/12/14

Webpage for panel audio: http://www.greetingsfromstorybrooke.com/episodes/wonderland/episode-13-wl-wonderland-wrap-up-live-audio/
Link to panel video: http://www.greetingsfromstorybrooke.com/episodes/wonderland/episode-13-wl-wonderland-wrap-up-live-video/
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibeC7B2om90

Thanks for Bill and Anne Marie (http://www.greetingsfromstorybrooke.com) for putting this together and inviting us.

3X16 It’s Not Easy Being Green – Main Show – Emma Saving Walsh Could Throw a Monkey Wrench in it for Hook

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Date: 4/12/14

Episode Name: It’s Not Easy Being Green

Episode Number: 216

Shownotes can be found at:

onceuponatimepodcast.com/216

News:

Views from the Deck:

Wizard of Oz’s reveal of Zelena’s sister was a bit like Vader revealing a sister to Luke.

Squawks from Social Media:

Facebook page – facebook.com/ouatpodcast

Erin

i’m glad that you were wrong about rumple being the wizard of oz.i’m not sure how i feel about walsh being the wizard of oz and if he can be redeemed.

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Brad

Hello Jeff and Colleen, here are the things I learned in the episode, It’s Not Easy Being Green.

#1. Geppetto has some major clock tower repair on his hands.

#2. Zelena may have silver slippers but Regina has the ruby red
gloves.

#3. Doc needs to stop parking his Miata in the street.

#4. Never bet Emma in a game of darts.

#5. Kermit the frog still has a chance.

#6. The Wicked Witch of the Wild West is a version of OZ
I definitely want someone to make!

#7. Some conversations aren’t meant for the doorway.

#8. A Sleeping curse while you’re pregnant is never good for the
baby.

#9. Hook’s bringing the sextant back.

#10. Someone’s going to have to start directing traffic on Main
Street, pronto!

Here are some quick theories, observations and burning questions.

THEORIES:

Lots of people are theorizing that Rumpel may be Zelena’s father but what if it’s Walsh? We know he was originally from Kansas. Could he have come through the same cyclone Zelena did? He would have been a much younger man at the time and maybe he wanted to give the baby her best chance by letting another family take care of her. He seemed to know a lot about Cora. Was this from memory or magic?

Zelena said that after her second chance, Regina will have never been born. If she takes Regina’s place, does Zelena then need Snow’s baby to take hers? There may not even be anything special about the Charming’s baby since Aurora and Philip were worried about their baby as well.

Regina’s line about Cora having a love child with a scarecrow could be a reference by the show writers that Rumpelstiltskin is Zelena’s father. It could also be just a clever red herring to throw us off the trail.

OBSERVATIONS:

Blue has been absent since New York Serenade but she did attend the funeral for Neil. She can be seen standing to the right of the group when the camera is looking up from the casket.

I love Robin Hood but did anyone else think the scene of him peeking through the tree was kind of creepy?

Regina and Zelena fighting is exactly what I wished would have happened with Cora. Usually, Regina’s snappy insults are directed towards the heroes on the show so it was great to finally have her on the same side, laying the smack down on Zelena.

Now that we know Walsh is the Wizard, your question “Will Emma be Walsh’s savior too?” is a very good possibility Jeff.

BURNING QUESTIONS:

Did Zelena take over the Emerald City after she transformed Walsh?

We learned that Walsh is being forced to serve Zelena. Could he actually have been in love with Emma? This could complicate matters down the line if it’s true.

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Maii

Hey guys!
I finally have some time to send this email it’s been a long week, but I finally have two weeks off for easter break yey!

As a film student I thought the camera movements were extremely interesting.

Funeral: It was a really powerful scene that started with Hook throwing the dirt because he was the one that knew him best from the people there and ending with Emma who is finally closing that chapter of her life. Plus the cuts to Rumple feeling the dirt make it all the more painful.

Captain Cobra:
Before anything else, it’s necessary to say that their entire journey was threaded with honesty. From the moment they were about to get on the boat, Hook states that he offered to take him. This is the second time they’ve canonically interacted and it’s involved Hook telling Henry the truth, thus validating just how much he values nobility above all things. Additionally, he knows Emma so well, that he tells Henry things he knows Emma would not only approve of, but genuinely be thankful for. And from the moment Henry expressed not being interested in navigating the stars, he told him the truth about Bae’s father’s death. He made sure Henry knew why Emma was doing what she was doing. And he made sure Henry knew great things about Bae.

Earning Emma’s father’s respect is immensely vital in terms of story telling, and Hook was successful in doing so. He and Charming have found a real friendship in one another. And now, Hook and Henry have found a fatherly bond with one another. If that isn’t obvious as to who Emma’s true love is then I don’t know what to say. And the most beautiful part of the friendships Hook’s formed with Emma’s loved ones is that he’s saved both them in ways they needed at the time — his actions were selflessly inspired by his love for Emma. He literally saved Charming’s life, and he saved Henry’s heart by helping him be at ease even for a little while.

Plus I love the fact that he’s like “this one will do” meaning he “borrowed it” which I thought was hilarious

More on this scene: http://vickyvicarious.tumblr.com/post/81946571252/one-of-my-favorite-things-about-this-episode-was

Oz: Oz was wonderful and the GCI was pretty good..I did not expect it to be Walsh I knew he was in the ep but I didn’t realize he was the wizard, on my 2nd watch I noticed that it was his voice and I’m hitting myself for not noticing it heheh.

Emma slept with the wizard of oz turned monkey then turned human again hehehe.

Outlaw Queen: Let’s face it Tinkerbell is us with our OTPs the whole GO TALK TO HIM thing and getting frustrated plus I feel like she truly cares about Regina and her happiness and wants her to finally be happy. (plus her meeting Robin was perfect). When Zelena comes to threaten Regina you can see Robin stepping closer as if to protect her if something goes wrong.

It’s good for Regina to have someone to confide in. Plus it says a lot that she trusts him with her heart (literally). “You can’t steal something that’s been given to you.”

Rumple/Regina: I thought the letter was extremely interesting because while in that time it was about Zelena now it’s what Rumple thinks of Regina.

I think he used the events in his life to manipulate Zelena only it went incredibly sideways bc he didn’t realize Zelena would fixate on him so much.

Captain Swan:
Hook doesn’t have the Jolly Roger! You know what this means? It means he gave up his ship for a way to find a way to get to Emma. He gave up his home, where Liam died and where Milah died, the last trace of his home to get Emma back to her home.

CS At Grannu’s: Reference to Graham and the throwing of the darts..Notice how Emma has gotten much better at it.

Holy Character development Batman! For Hook to be the one to tell her not to get stuck in revenge it means a lot.

Emma tells Hook about the Jail thing (big thing bc only henry knows) http://vickyvicarious.tumblr.com/post/81952786622/emma-tells-hook

At this point it’s safe to state that if Emma didn’t want Hook around, she wouldn’t be as gracefully comfortable standing so close to him. But good lord, Colin O’Donoghue, try not to kill me and millions of others with your outstanding acting abilities.

The moment Emma mentions: as far as he knows, I haven’t seen Neal since he left me in jail. While Hook’s been to his fair share of prisons, he believes that the ones in our world are far worse. And the moment she says this, the expression in his eyes instantly saddens as he subtly tries to swallow because deep down, he’s breaking. He’s trying to hold it in but it undoubtedly shatters him that she’s been to one of those places. Also, “You’d really do that?” “Aye”

There’s one thing I found extremely impeccable about this scene and it’s the fact that Hook didn’t say something along the lines of “does that surprise you”. It pains him that she has very little faith in him sometimes, but he understands, he sees why she’s breaking. He knows her better than she knows herself and the fact that she can’t see what’s right in front of her is unbearable for him. He’s trying to show her that he’s not going anywhere, and he does that by demonstrating that Henry’s important to him as well.

Emma can’t control the fact that she’s afraid. While deep down she knows he’s not going anywhere, she’s still scared of giving her heart to him fully. And that’s completely normal. She essentially gave him an enormous part of her heart by trusting him with Henry.

I also feel the need to point out that the way her eyes fluttered after he said “nothing will happen to the boy while he’s in my charge” essentially has to mean that she knows it won’t. She trusts him. Jennifer Morrison does this gorgeous thing where she allows Emma’s heart to be reflected in her facial expressions even when her words say something else. It’s not that she was afraid of Henry being in Hook’s care, it’s that she’s afraid of the witch, but what she kept illuminating with her eyes and body language is that she knows she can completely trust Hook.

Doorway scene:

The fact that Emma kept replying with thanks again was because she already knew everything he was going to say. She knows that deep down, this is the best thing for her. Being around family, friends. This place is their home. And Hook knows that as well, he’s telling her she needs to stay because he knows that while New York may have been great, being around loved ones is even better. Though there may be trials and tribulations, it’s worth it because family, friends, and love are always worth it. He’s not pressuring her, he’s only telling her what he knows she already knows. A partner, a person, a soulmate, says what they know the other needs to hear and when.

Their body language is the number one sign that they’re incredibly comfortable with another, especially Emma. She holds nothing back from him. She knows he accepts her. She knows he loves her and that’s something that she’s intuitively drawn towards. He’s made it so she knows that everything she feels is welcomed with him and that’s why she’s able to be herself without hesitation.

The episode was about trust and second chances, she trusted Hook with Henry. And he had the second chance to be a fatherly figure to someone. It’s not coincidence that these moments all occurred in the same episode. At the end of the day, Hook’s part of the family – and it couldn’t be more obvious.

Quotes:

Rumple: Every bit of it. he was family.

Killian: Take it from me, vengeance is not the thing that’s going to make you feel better

Henry: What’s this?

Hook: That my boy is a sextant, it’s a tool used by sailors to navigate

Henry: Like a GPS?

Hook: ……

Hook: ……Aye

Doc: Mi meat

Emma: I’m not an amateur, I’m the savior

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Can’t wait for Sunday’s ep it’s going to be incredible! Take Care! Love, Maii
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3X16 It’s Not Easy Being Green – First Thoughts – Envy, Vader and Sibling Rivalry, Oh my!

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Date: 4/6/14

Episode Title: It’s Not Easy Being Green

Podcast Number: 215

Shownotes can be found at:
Onceuponatimepodcast.com/215

Cyclone dropped a baby.

Some similarities, but differences to Emma.

Baby blanket. Basket (Like Moses?). Green ribbon instead of purple. Zelena’s blanket is purple.

Where did she drop?

The couple that found her mentioned wolves. Is that important? Is it a shout out to American Werewolf in London? Stay out of the Moors.

Magical as a baby.

Mother covered for her. Is she in on it? What does she know?

We’re going to Oz, Baby!

Another funeral scene. 2nd outside.

Who’s the blonde kid? Lost boy?

Nice cut to Rumpel. Rumpel can feel the funeral and the dirt tossing?

Lots of new boys. Lost boys?

Each person tossing dirt upon Neal’s casket. Nice shot of Emma’s final toss.

Rumpel confirms that even the trouble about Neal was worth it, “Every bit if it” because he was family.

Rumpel isn’t Zelena’s father. Zelena’s mother died previously.

Zelena had no family. Who sent her to near Oz.

“Put on a good face” spoken by her father. Alluding to the Wizard of Oz? Zelena’s skin color?

Wicked, Magical Zelena. She was going to heal her father’s cut.

Her father said he became a drunk because of her. Because of her magic?

Dropped out of a Tornado.

Emma playing darts, like Graham was in Season 1.

Emma is afraid to tell Henry the truth, because he will think she’s lying or making it up to make him feel better.

Hook trying to help Emma and Henry, and himself make peace with Neal’s passing. Tell Henry what Bae was like when he was Henry’s age.

Leather Conditioner and eyeliner.

Tink!

Lion tattoo. Prophesized?

Gossip about boys. Classic.

Clue trial? Come on, girl.

Robin – green scarf. Ozian much?

Whoa, back up Tink! Didn’t you learn anything from the last time you screwed this up?

Turned out so…

Camera swings are like a tornado spinning around. Many dutch angles, too. Everyone wants to kill the witch, but she is control of the Dark One.

Is that the Cap Man in the background when Zelena says “Little Sister”?

Cora lied to you.

Similar lines from the Pilot

Evil Queen: Oh, I haven’t come here to ruin anything. On the contrary, dear, I’ve come to give you a gift.

Snow White: We want nothing from you.

Evil Queen: But you shall have it! My gift to you is this happy, happy day. But tomorrow, my real work begins. You’ve made your vows, now I make mine. Soon, everything you love, everything all of you love, will be taken from you. Forever. And out of your suffering, will rise my victory. I shall destroy your happiness, if it is the last thing I do.

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Zelena: Which is why I’ve brought a gift to help
Regina: I don’t want a gift from you.
Zelna: But you shall have it. See, My gift to you is this sad, sad day. Use it to dig into our past, Regina.

Meet me on Main Street tonight, say sundown…and then I’ll destroy you.

I don’t lose, like Peter Pan.

Bullies and fights after school.

Regina looks a bit flustered.

Hook and Henry boat ride.

Love child with a Scarecrow.

Everyone was ganging up on Regina.

Stick to the Lasagna, lady.

Classic Oz look.

To find out exactly what this Wicked Witch thinks I did to her.

Green liquid? Anti Freeze?

Great and Terrible. Oz.

Cora gave her up, because she could not be Queen. Is the Wizard Lying?

Magic is a gift.

Silver Slippers. Clicking them 3 times is a portal.

It is one thing to wonder about your past, it is another to be envious of things you cannot have. Sibling rivalry.

Zelena going into little sister’s room (or Castle if you want to get technical about it).

Zelena is the first born. The true heir.

Who is Zelena’s father?

Rumpelstiltskin’s drug test.

A letter proves that Regina isn’t an only child.

Charming is Mulan-ing the situation with assigning positions around the intersection.

Belle will try to get through to Rumpel without the dagger.

Regina can’t do this alone.

Great coat, Regina. Here comes Robin, again.

Robin’s a pickpocket, and a smooth operator.

Rumpel’s letter. I always thought it was about me. He thinks she is more powerful than Regina.

Why do you care what that Imp think?

Blindfolding lesson, like a gunfighter.

Magic is all about feelings. Who began to teach Zelena’s magical training?

Ding Dong… the witch is dead?

Rumpel connects with Zelena over their pasts.

Breaking Rumpel out.

Rumpel is controlled. Belle can’t step into the cage.

The next time you try to stop here, I will kill you.

Henry tying knots, like Hook and Bae.

Sextant. Navigating with it.

Henry questions the age issue.

Hook and Henry bond about losing their fathers.

Zelena getting suited up for battle.

Rumpel chooses Regina over Zelena.

You’re insides are starting to show. Green = Envy. Did it happen naturally, or did Rumpel cause it?

God’s Eye view angle.

Dwarf vs Munchkin

If my sister isn’t her in 5 minutes. Let the Dark One off his leash.

Classic sociopath movie moment. Who should I kill first?

The Savior. Will Emma give her a smack down?

Regina arrives.

Black is my color.

So you finally excepted me into the family?

Return of the Jedi connection:

Luke: I know, father.
Darth Vader: So, you have accepted the truth?
Luke: I have accepted that you were once Anakin Skywalker, my father.

Nice right hook, Regina.

Rumpel is a shapeshifter.

Jealousy drives people to do crazy things.

I have that affect on women.

You might want to get that checked out.

There is a Wiazrd more powerful than Rumpel? Who is the Wizard of Oz?

The only way Rumpel can get the slippers (mentioned in ‘The Doctor’ episode) is to kill her. Write that down.

You shouldn’t have taught me all your tricks, Rumpel.

The Dark One dagger and Zelena’s control reminds me of the Emperor and Vader on the Death Star when Vader and Luke were fighting.

Great camera work.

Uh oh. My Miyata. Tiny – The Giant stepped on it once before.

She threw Regina into the Clock Tower.

No heart. I thought she put it back in. Regina is the heart.

Zelena flew off on her broom, like riding of on a horse.

Memories = Brain(s)?

Robin guarded her heart. How cool.

Trusted to a common thief. You can steal something that’s been given to you.

Regina giving her heart to Robin. Truly and figuratively.

Hook pushing Emma to tell the truth, like he did to Charming.

Rumpel is showing that he is breaking her hold on him.

We are doing it all over again.

Zelena wants to cast a new curse as a second chance.

Zelena pushed away the guards, like Regina did in the Pilot.

She tells the Wizard to take her back to when her Mother abandoned her.

You can’t change the past. The fire.

Even my power has it’s limits.

Walsh is the Wizard of Oz. He’s a huckster, showman, collector. He’s like Rumpel.

What you seek – No Magic is that strong.

Trained circus animal.

She wants to erase Regina being born. Can the past be changed? How far back do you have to go to change things?

Hidden Mickey moment from Al, the host of Tales from the Mouse House podcast

http://www.talescast.com/Site_4/Home.html

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3X15 Quiet Minds – Main Show – The Thin Ice Episode. We miss Neal, too.

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Podcast Episode: 214

Shownotes for this episode can be found at onceuponatimepodcast.com/214

Episode Name: Quiet Minds

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News:

If Once Upon a Time is renewed for a 4th Season, Michael Socha (The Knave of Hearts in Once Upon a Time in Wonderland) will be a series regular

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/01/michael-socha-once-upon-a-time/?ew_packageID=20736009

Once Upon uh Anonymous raised their $7,000.00 for their musical episode. I would imagine Erin and Ace give big thanks to all that donated.

Play views from the deck intro

Views from the deck:

Neal “Use your magic to separate me from my father.”
Emma “Are you kidding? You’ll die”

Luke and Vader in Return of the Jedi

Lumiere’s fire bindings like they used in Attack of the Clones

Discuss Neal’s death

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Social Media Squawks:

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Genevieve

Did anyone notice that Neal thanked Hook for bringing Emma back? Do you think he sent the potion?

Aubrey

If Snow’s Baby is the “heart”, it should be protected, like Emma’s

Emma has magic because she is the product of true love. Her heart couldn’t be ripped out by Cora in season 2 because of this. I wonder if the baby will also have magic like Emma. If this is the case and if Zelena tries to take the baby’s heart, it wouldn’t work. I don’t think she wants Henry because even though he has the heart of the truest believer, Regina put that spell on him, so that his heart could never be taken.

Aubrey

Am I the only one who thought of Home Alone when Neal had the insignia burned on to his hand?

Daniel

‘Course that scene HAD to happen five minutes before putting my own son to bed!! THANKS OUAT!! Like the king from Tolkien’s “Two Towers” (Riders of Rohan), “No parent should have to bury/outlive their own child.” Seriously though, one of the best scenes in the whole series! Knocked it out of the park!

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Maii

Something incredibly important I forgot to mention was
Rumple chose his son over magic. We saw the exact same situation that we saw back in season 1 Desperate Souls..This time around, we see character growth. He makes the right choice. He proves that he learned from his mistake the first time, and he chooses his son. This is huge. The entire reason the curse was ever enacted was because Rumple made the wrong choice the first time around. Rumple’s entire story has been about this moment – about proving to his son that he has learned from his mistakes. He has changed. Rumple knows now that his son trumps power, and this gave him the chance to truly prove that. He may have said it before now, but actions will always speak louder than words. Any doubts that we may have had about Rumple’s character growth were erased by this act.
(from here, read it it’s really good and explains why neal’s death work’s so well with the plot)

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Email points:

Dan

Great show, as always!  Here we go:

(1) Nice CGI of Lumiere, but AGAIN w/the “allow me to introduce myself”!?!  What is it with OUAT and “The Stones”??

(2)  Zelena, touching the tummy again!?!  Okay, NOW she’s just creepy!

(3) Re-introduction of Regina and Robin “sitting in a tree!”, a re-deux of “that pesky year”.

(4)  Hook w/jello?   ALWAYS room for jello. . . . but wait, GREEN jello?  Bae’s “kryptonite”??  :(

(5)  Bae and Belle “forest scene”, reminds me of the scene from Disney’s Lion, WITCH, and Wardrobe, where Lucy meets Mr. Tumnus at the Lamp post.

(6) Bae/Neal, getting hand burnt like Joe Pesci on the doorknob in Home Alone!!

(7)  Robin hitting on “evil queen”!  WHISKEY??  AGAIN??   whoops, TATOO!!  Regina, “run away!  run away!” (a la Monty Python!).  Robin left standing there, and all I could think of was Liam Neeson as “bad cop” in “The LEGO Movie”, . . . . “Darn!   Darn!    Darney Darn!!!”

(Speaking of Monty Python!) (8)  Lumiere:  “I AM A FRENCH CANDELABRA!  Why do you think I have this OUTRAGEOUS accent!?!”

French Taunter (1:15)

http://grooveshark.com/s/French+Taunter+Pt+1/3liI8L?src=5

(almost done!)

(8)  Nice laughs between Emma and Neal!   WHOA!  Morphing!  Bae kept Rumple alive by being merged together!

(9)  Lumiere!  Saving the day!

(10) (my own thoughts!)  What I wouldn’t do for MY son!!

(11)  As I said before,    BEST SCENE . . . . EVER!!!   Neal “I’ll be watching over you!”  and “thank you papa, for showing me what it is to make a TRUE sacrifice!  It’s about saving the ones you love.”

Translation:  As it gets closer to Easter, “No greater love is there, than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.”

It’s all summed up in that folks. . . . 

Peace, 
Dan

Marilyn

Sent in the Hollywood Reporter interview of Adam and Eddy about the death of Neal

Excerpt Question “He’s really dead, right?

Adam Horowitz: The death is real and the character really died.”

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Brad

Greetings Jeff and Colleen, here are the things I learned this week on the episode, Quiet Minds. 
#1. The secret to defeating Zelena, is to tell Leroy she ate all the the bacon.
#2. Under no circumstances do you invade Regina’s space.
#3. A woman’s eyes can even get a pirate to do what she wants. 
#4. Attempted murder can be forgiven as long as there are extenuating circumstances.
#5. If Hook is selling books on Amazon as “like new”, don’t believe him. 
#6. Emma’s Super Mom breakfast was comparable to sending Aqualad to save the world.
#7. Regina should be the new spokeswoman for Jack Daniels.
#8. Think twice before using the bathroom in Snow’s and Charming’s apartment.
 #9. Zelena may or may not posses boxes of hair. 
#10. And all the Captain Swan fans said, amen. 

OBSERVATIONS:
They made a point in this episode to show the swan necklace that Emma gave back to Neil in the episode Manhattan. I feel this necklace is important and will show up again. A crazy theory I had is that this necklace may be the symbol of Emma or Neil’s heart that Zelina will need. Belle did say, it was born out of true love.

When Dorothy and her friends went to see the Wizard, he gave them items that symbolized what they were lacking. The Lion, Tin Man and Scarecrow never had anything taken away from them yet we’ve been attributing their personas to people in Storybrooke. We never stopped to ask the question, where did the Wizard get the items from? Could Zelena be collecting them for him or is she herself the Wizard? There are people who could benefit from what Zelena has stolen. Let me just brainstorm for a second.  Rumple has been a coward all his life, Regina could use a heart, that is not black, to fall in again and Henry could use a brain to remember. I don’t know, just some random thoughts. What do you guys think?
Zelena tells her flying monkey “Find him, beautiful one”. Could it be the monkey means something more to her?
The key marked Neil for death,  just as the medallion did with Regina and Prince Philip when the Wraith attacked them.

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Neil in Quiet Minds.

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Prince Philip in Broken.

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Regina in Broken.
I loved Lumiere’s character.
he sounded great and definitely added to the story. I couldn’t have asked for anything more. I really wish they could have done the same with Rapunzel. We did see Lumiere back in season one, or at least an Easter egg of what they wanted us to think.

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Lumiere and Cogsworth in Skin Deep?

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Lumiere in Quiet Minds.

The scene with Robin and Regina at Zelina’s country house was almost the same exact conversation they had in Witch Hunt before going down the secret tunnel to the castle. Check it out:
           
ENCHANTED FOREST
Regina:  You think you can stop her if she tries to hurt me?
Robin: Maybe. Maybe not. But I have to try.
Regina No. You’re not.
Robin: Not coming along? I do believe I am. I can help
Regina: I didn’t ask for help.
Robin: Well, that doesn’t mean you won’t need it.
Regina: Don’t get in my way
Robin: Oh, I wouldn’t dream of it
 
                   STORYBROOKE
Regina: You think you can bring down the Wicked Witch with sticks?
Robin: Well, I’m certainly going to try   
Robin: Well then you got yourself a partner
Regina: I don’t remember asking for one
Regina: Just don’t get in my way
Robin: I wouldn’t dream of it
 
This prompts Regina to say, “Have we met before”. Maybe she’s remembering slowly.
FRUSTRATING QUOTE:
Emma – “What does Zelena want?” 
Gold - “What she doesn’t have” 
Thanks for clearing that up Rumpel!
BURNING QUESTIONS: 
* We found out that the first Dark One 
   was made from the vault. Who made        
   the first Dark One and why?
* Did Rumpelstiltskin lose his memories      
   as well?

Marilyn also emailed to let us know about the Entertainment Weekly story about The Knave of Hearts coming to Once Upon a Time.

Maii

Hello Jeff and Colleen, how are you guys? That episode hurt, I admit it I cried but I felt it was a long time coming. Especially considering they foreshadowed it in Season 1 with Emma telling Henry about how his dad died in a fire and Neal technically dying from a burn in  his hand.
Belle – For me Belle was the MVP of this ep, which is weird bc I’ve never been much of a Belle fan 
FTL
 Belle was a bit suspicious at the beginning but put it away and then when he said the thing about the 200 years she knew her suspicious were confirmed.  She was the one who told Neal not to do it that Rumple wouldn’t want this and that they would put millions of people in danger. Even when Lumiere betrayed her she still saved him from the witch bc she could have easily ran off but she made sure to grab him. 
Storybrooke
Belle and Hook- these scenes were I think my fav of the episode 
Hook: I will stay here with you, I’m surprisingly good at research
Belle: You..will stay with me 
Emma: He’ll protect you if the witch comes
Belle: You do know he’s tried to kill me?
Hook: Ah, there were extenuating circumstances
Belle: Twice
Hook: Sorry?
This is a man who has admitted he doesn’t apologize and yet here he is apologizing,  he is on the path to changing and he knows that part of it is making up for what he has done.  There’s the fact that they trusted him to take care of Belle and Belle herself didn’t doubt it after her initial concern. She let him stay there and he rushed in with a sword to protect her not knowing who was trying to come inside. 
We can see that the only reason Belle is less forgiving with him than she is with Rumple is that he personally slighted her. She seems downright affectionate with him in the books scene and I thought it was wonderful. 
The scene in Gold’s shop with Snow holding Belle and Charming reassuring Hook was wonderful – they all felt like family in that moment, mourning the loss of one of theirs. It was good to have Snow and Charming as the unaffected ones offering support, since they never bonded with Neal.
CS Scenes

http://exquisitelyfortunate.tumblr.com/post/81279341504/captain-swan-3×15-scene-analyses

Neal/Emma scenes
Their scenes make me wish they had done more with Neal’s character because they showed that Emma and Neal could be friends for Henry. Because all their scenes were about Henry, Emma’s moved on ever since before the second curse she hasn’t wanted anything with him romantically. Neal in this ep actually understood that and he didn’t try to belittle her or her feelings like in other episodes. It makes me sad for the wasted potential. 
He told her to find Tallahassee with someone else just like Daniel told Regina to love again. In this case I’m pretty sure Neal knew exactly who he was talking about when he told her that.  Tallahassee didn’t mean the place it meant true love & home and they could never find it together. 
Both most of all I’m sad for Henry bc he didn’t remember his father before he died. Because for all his faults Neal actually was a good father during the time he spent with Henry, and he loved his son. 
Captain Fire – There’s 3 parts to this entire scene, the funny, the sentimental and the well let’s call it eye opening
The funny – Hook bringing him Jello bc it’s what they gave him at the hospital and he thinking it has medicinal properties
The Touching – This scene was all I wanted since we found out their backstory. Because Hook loved Bae like a son.  And it was Neal finally seeing Killian behind the mask of Hook, he actually called him Killian. 
Hook told Neal that they let … “A Woman” come between them. 
Not Emma, but “a woman”.
Because he was also talking about Milah. It was a double entendre. Because both women came between them in a way.
BUT…when he said it he was hugging Neal + Rumple. So he also acknowledged that Miilah was at the root of their 300+ year feud without even realizing he was doing so.
The eye-opening – no one has really talked about this scene everyone focuses on the other parts
“What’s it feel like, to play the hero after being a pirate for so long?”
“Unfamiliar.”
“And you? How does it feel to play the villain?” 
“I’m a villain now?” 
“Well, if you truly had a hand in bringing your father back. I’d suspect you to use the darkest of magic, and pay and even darker price.” 
I find it really interesting because Hook was the only to kind of bring to mind that what Neal did wasn’t actually heroic but rather probably the opposite. 
My friend Nini put these tags on a gif set of this scene #neal owning to his mistakes man that was one of my main problems with him #he didn’t apologize to emma until 2×21 #and then in 3a with mulan and aurora it was all ‘i let her go’ instead of ‘i fucked her up for good for the next 11 years’ #and here ofc he doesn’t remember what he’s done #but he must have had an idea of how desperate he would have been as soon as emma and henry left and rumpel died and they were sent back to the EF #everybody loves to call out on all the crap hook has done and no matter what he does to try to change and show that the good form lover inside of him still stands he gets called out for being a lovesick puppy #but hey no neal is a good guy he was only trying to get back to his family or let emma find hers and fulfill her destiny yadda yadda yadda #wake up call: no #and i love that it is hook the one to make him see what he was willing to put on the line to get what he wanted #little bae despised magic and so did neal but he was willing to use it just to get back his family #he didn’t listen to belle when she insisted he was making a mistake and they should look for some other way #alas he didn’t 
In the end they show you that that Neal didn’t learn from his father’s mistake. 
Rumple and Bae. that scene killed me and I liked the fact that they didn’t focus on the relationship with emma but rather on the relationship with rumple because this is what the show was about. Rumple getting back his son and now he lost him again this time for good. 
Outlaw Queen
Honestly I love their chemistry (and he was totally checking her out) and I love much it paralleled their first time in the EF. I had already seen the sneak peek of this scene so I knew her seeing the tattoo was coming but I loved the aftermath. I loved that she ran, because it’s true to her character and it’s what she did all those years ago. 
And yet what was different is she came back this time and if you think about it this is a Regina with no memory of last year so she has no idea Marian died. She probably thinks he is a married man. Which would mean she lost her chance. 

Sidenote: How cute of a father is Robin? Seriously 
Much Love, Maii

Marilyn

Ahoy there, Jeff, Colleen & Lady!
Some random thoughts I had about the episode Quiet Minds:
• I really need to keep a box of tissues nearby when watching ONCE episodes. I sure could have used them at the end of this episode, especially when Rumple and Emma were saying their final goodbyes to Neal.
•  It was interesting that only Killian suspected the tragic consequences of Neal’s effort to bring Rumple back. He seemed to realize that only the darkest of magic could have accomplished it and that an even darker price would have to be paid. I think that was why we were witness to that unexpected “bro” hug Killian gave to Neal. It was his way of saying goodbye. 
• The black goo that oozed out of the Dark One’s vault to transform into Rumble was a terrific CGI effect and also reminded me of the black alien oil featured in many X-Files episodes.
• I think the necklace that Neal returned to Emma is going to feature in whatever magic is created to vanquish the Wicked Witch because, as Belle said, it was born out of true love, the strongest magic there is.
• The image of the floating head of Lumiere seemed very similar in look to the floating head image of the Wizard of Oz.
• And finally, since there are no good delis in Storybrooke where one can get a decent sesame seed bagel, one must assume that there are no characters from Jewish folktales residing in Storybrooke? 
Cannot wait to see Sunday’s episode and ONCE’s version of “High Noon” between Regina and Zelena. 
Take care,

Marilyn

Comedy bit:

Trouble at Storybrooke Elementary School
Story Idea: Jeff Roney
Written by: Brad Pogras
Voices by Jeff Roney

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3X15 Quiet Minds – First Thoughts –

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Date: 3/30/14

Episode Title: Quiet Minds

Podcast Number: 213

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Leroy loves bacon

Neal knew how to get his father back.

Regina asked about why Zelena was working with Rumpelstiltskin

The Dark One has broken free

Beautiful One – Bright and Morning Star

Belle and the town knew that Rumpel would come to her

Hook, the researcher

Sorry may or may not resolve being almost killed twice

Belle loves Rumpel – all of him, even the parts that belong to the darkness.

Neal needs the dark part to get to the ones he loves.

Born out of True love – Swan necklace. Totem? Heart Totem?

Books are stronger than Magic. Books on history, witchcraft, and hopefully on the dark one, too.

Lumiere – Allow me to introduce myself. Again. Sympathy for the Devil. Can we trust him? Is it working for Zelena, even though he says he is a humble servant of this castle?

Lumiere – the light.

Belle thought Neal was Rumpel.

Hook had the sword just in case Rumpel was breaking in.

Emma is Super Mom. Hero.

Leroy is a Father figure?

Henry doesn’t believe Emma. He wants to know the truth, or he wants to go home.

Neal was running around in the forest, like Rumpel.

Neal had a blister on his hand like Arnold Ernst Toht in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Neal uses the Daddy card to put pressure on Emma to tell Henry the truth

Lumiere only appears if his candles are lit.

Bookcase

Can we trust Lumiere?

The vault of the Dark One, where the first Dark One was made.

Is Rumpel melded with the Dark One?

Lumiere will lead them if they promise that Rumpel will return him to his human form.

We’ll leave first thing in the morning. Same thing as Emma.

Zelena appears. She is behind this.

Neal – Dumber than a box of hair. O Brother Where Art Thou – Dumber than a bag of hammers.

What about Belle seeing the true self of people?

Whoa, you got here fast. Fly on a broom much?

Andana Orange Juice

Zelena mentions the Wicked Witch. Every is searching for her, but Snow has her coming to her. Will Snow know and defeat her?

Jacob’s touch, like Zelena?

Weren’t Robin’s arrows always supposed to hit their target?

Almost getting shot isn’t a great date idea.

Robin knows who Regina is.

Robin and Regina are partners. Don’t get in my way. I wouldn’t dream of it. Like in FTL.

Hook, the Candy striper, brings Neal the famous green jello in the hospital. Didn’t Hook talk about the jello before in Season 2?

2 Beaus talking.

Hook remembers Bae, the boy.

Hook gave him 10 minutes.

Belle filled Neal in with the missing parts of Rumpel.

Emma wants to leave.

Rumpel and the voices in his head.

David, the Flying Monkey slayer.

A good witch covers her track, but a better one can uncover them.

Great and terrible Evil Queen, Not evil.

Fear is an effective tool, after last week we know that.

Whiskey isn’t magical can conjure courage, give strength, or even act as a love potion of sorts.

We’ve earned a drink.

This scene is more sensual than the David/Regina scene for sure.

Tink – The guy with the Lion tattoo.

Emma thought it was Gold, but it was Neal. Another mistaken identity scene.

“You found it” Lumiere. I thought he was supposed to lead them to it.

200 years. He’s lying. Finally Belle wakes up.

So, Rumpel isn’t the Dark One anymore. He’s the king of loopholes.

Neal’s hero journey. Don’t make the same mistake your Father made. Another tree cave and test.

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3X14 The Tower – Main Show – Who is Zelena’s Daddy? Who is the Tin Man and Scarecrow? We’re spinning out control!

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Podcast episode 212

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Episode Name: The Tower

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 I just listened to the podcast, which was pretty good as always and I have some thoughts specially regarding to Hook. In these last 3 eps I can see lots of parallels between Hook and Han Solo regarding to their relationships as well as personalities. Both are very confident , adventures, they love a challenge and their vessels. Han had a hard time thinking that Leia had strong love feeling ( he didn’t know Luke was her brother until their last scene) for Luke and so does Hook. Hook still thinks Emma has strong feelings for Neal and maybe Walsh and it hurts him, so he builds his walls up being sarcastic and with the terrible jokes, it’s his way to protect himself ( as Han did ). so when Emma supposes that he had a terrific time in EF , he sticks to the idea, which is totally a big fat lie , maybe hr’s been trying to find her ever since he parted ways on the first ep. Remember Han gives his ship away (lends it but… anyway) for a greater good maybe Hook did the same thing but in change of something to find Emma. It would be a nice parallel and iink it would made perfectly sense cuz he said : there was nothing for him there in EF. Regarding to Emma , I think she’s getting more and more comfortable around him , cant wait to see where this all goes…

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Manny

That 9 month caption also told us how far along Mary Margret/ Snow is in her pregnancy in present day Storybrooke, (9th month), as well as telling us that the events in The Tower took place in the 3rd month they were there in FTL/EF.

Manny

The shaving scene may have had other psychological, foreshadowing meanings, but it simply hit me as a way to get a sample of Rumple’s blood to open his safe in his shop.
Apparently after the “Ashley incident”, Mr.Gold began to lock his safe with a blood curse, for added security. lol…, and Zelena needed his blood to get something magical, I’m assuming, out of that safe.
Could you tell what that was that she took from his safe? It didn’t ring a bell with me.

Manny

“A bit demanding, isn’t she?…….., the midwife I mean.” is what Hook said about Snow…

Manny

A second look at what Zelena took from Gold’s safe now looks like “Night Root.” The root that grows under white moss at the haunted edge of Sherwood forest. According to Friar Tuck, if this root is digested, it would help one overcome any and all fears and has flecks of crystal in it’s flesh.
Perhaps an ingredient needed in one of Zelena’s potions and doesn’t grow in Storybrooke’s realm.

J – What if we are about to learn that Zelena was cursed back to Storybrooke somehow and that’s why she needs Snow and Charming’s baby?

Manny

Another observation from that scene….. THIS Robinhood says he doesn’t dabble in magic unless he has to. The other Robinhood couldn’t stop expressing how much he loved magic (in Rumple’s castle, as he stole a magic wand) and that his bow was enchanted. #justsayin 

Chuck

I find the last photo in the show notes of Zelena making tea very interesting. Are we looking down at her distorted reflection in the tea, or looking up from the bottom of the tea cup at her. A neat camera angle. Either way, I believe the liquid is reflecting her true appearance. Which would could tie into her telling Rumple about keeping up appearances.

Maii

Stray observations & Best quotes
I stuck to one topic in my email but I couldn’t help but point this out.
Snow you know there’s a wicked witch out there who cursed you and this too good to be true woman, who you don’t remember shows up and you immediately trust her?
Emma’s princess dress had Swan feathers on it (and it was so gorgeous)
The doll of the knight was missing from her nursery but the pirate/naval officer is still there. Basically means even if Charming isn’t able to protect her or can’t be there for her, she still has Killian. (Those dolls were there In the pilot and were there again in the tower)
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The CS Theme played in the background of their heart to heart
Plus it’s also a bit of reference to princess bride (other than the reference to wizard of oz)
Emma: you’re glad I got my heart broken?
Hook: If it can be broken, that means it still works..
Buttercup: you mock my pain
Westley: life is pain, highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something
I love the scene outside the storm shelter so much because they’ve just had this emotional moment, but Emma isn’t withdrawn too much. She’s smiling. He makes her smile, even if it’s at his expense. And he’s sighing in exasperation because she’s always teasing him but he loves it secretly because any sort of anything from her makes him love her even more. And it’s this incredibly light moment that shows why they work so well together. They may not be emotionally able to admit it to each other yet, but they love being together and working together and this just shows how well they fit together.
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Robin got payment in the form of gold tipped arrows
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Regina: I think one day you’ll have more family that you’ll know what to do with
Hook: A bit demanding isn’t she… *gets look from Emma* I meant the midwife
Emma: I’d like to see those flying monstrosities get past Granny’s crossbow
Hook: And her lunch special

Email points:

Mandy

Hi Jeff and Colleen,

I know I am a little late but I listened to your First Thoughts and the Main Show on “Witch Hunt” and you guys mentioned that Zelina got into the crypt by somehow using Regina’s blood. When I saw the episode, I had thought that because they are half sisters, Zelina wouldn’t have to use any sort of magic or trick to get past the blood curse because they are family. I am not sure if I am missing a piece of the puzzle or have something wrong so feel free to correct me.

Thanks,
Mandy

P.S. I appreciate all of the hard work you guys do for this show. You do an incredible job.

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Maii

3×14

Hello guys! Wasn’t this episode so creepy? Like dude yeesh lower the creep factor (I’m looking at you zelena)  I’m going to use this email to focus on  Zelena’s three (There’s some amazing meta out there about the other topics so I’m just going to pass along the links and focus on one topic (let’s see if I can heheh)

 More on david (by another of my best friend’s diana) http://enchanteddiana.tumblr.com/post/80615105956/the-tower-my-thoughts-on-david-part-1

meta about the cs scenes

http://gentlesleaze.tumblr.com/post/80598036926/let-me-break-this-down-otherwise-titled-why-i

Zelena and the original three

We’ve said Rumple could be the wizard and Snow’s kid or Belle could be Dorothy but I think it goes this way…

Charming is the Cowardly Lion – This current episode was all about how he was afraid of being a father. He was afraid of losing his second child because he feels like he messed everything up the first time. And by defeating the demon, he finds that all he needed to do was find the courage within himself.

Hook is the Tin Man – In the scene we saw with Hook and Emma tonight we hear him say, “If a heart is broken, that means it still works.” After all he went through, seeking revenge for a woman he lost 300 years ago, he found Emma. He found love again, learning that even though his heart had been broken, he found something that made him realize he had a heart the entire time.

Rumple is the Scarecrow – Right now, he seems like a crazy man. Zelena is in charge of him and he is unable to escape his apparent psychosis. You might say he is “without his mind.” The new promo shows that he is running, possibly escaping. On a mission to find something that can hold his sanity together, perhaps? Like Belle?

Emma is Dorothy – With her old and new memories colliding, Emma is on a mission to find her way home. The only problem is she does not know what that means – being an orphan in the foster system her entire life, she has never found stability, family, a place of belonging. This season is her journey to finding where her home is (The Charmings, Killian) and learning, like Dorothy did, that she had a home all along.

I admit the first person to bring this theory to life was my best friend Lexi…. I’m going to pass you the links bc it really is a good read and I need more people to read it because she is brilliant (and no this is not me being biased, she just is brilliant)

http://killians-tinkabelle.tumblr.com/post/78566809683/the-wizard-of-oz-and-its-setting-within-storybrooke (part 1) Rumple

http://killians-tinkabelle.tumblr.com/post/78577205833/the-wizard-of-oz-and-the-its-setting-within (part 2) Killian as the tin man

There’s people that say that the tin man could be Emma, or Neal but I firmly believe it’s Killian Jones.. Like stated above Killian Jones is all about heart.

He was introduced to us in a romantic tragedy, where the woman he loved had her heart ripped from her and he went on a mission of revenge for 300 years until he met a reason to let go of revenge, Emma (who incidentally cannot have her heart ripped out)

Even though he literally sucked at being a villain, he’s the only one that ever admitted his mistakes at first try. He firmly believes he has a rotten heart that it’s completely blackened and that the lieutenant jones is completely gone.

He is the character who is completely moved by what his heart tells him (and the only character who’s gotten close to getting his heart ripped more than once but it’s never actually been taken out)

Another important thing is that the three leading men of the show (Charming, Rumple, Hook) are going to be the three who are the lion, the tin man and the scarecrow.

Zelena is not taking the actual objects but objects that symbolize them.

All 3 objects that Zelena will have in her possession to represent her taking brains,courage and heart will be pointy, a deadly weapon and an object that represents who the person has transformed into from the person they once were. A dagger, a hilt with a broken piece of sword and possibly a hook.

The dagger represents Rumple going from town coward to the Dark One.

The sword represents Charming going from shepherd to knight & prince.

The hook represents Killian going from pirate to villain.

Another hint to Killian Jones being the tin man

Hook: If it can be broken, that means it still works..

Wizard of Oz

Tinman: Now I know I have a heart because it’s breaking

Love, Maii

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Chuck

General thoughts from The Tower episode –
 
When Charming was fighting the physical form of his fear, the fear had an attitude and  voice that reminded me of The Kurgan from Highlander. 
 
Charming is drinking?  We’ve seen that before with Rumple drinking out of a flask at Charming’s mother’s house in The Shepherd (I think?).
 
Regina feels the people of Storybrooke is a family to her – very nice.  Plus, Regina appears happy to be at the party welcoming Rapunzel back to her parents.  Nice to see Regina is being included.
 
Okay, I too came up with this theory before I heard your thoughts from The Tower episode:   Is Zelena collecting Courage (the Lion), Smarts (the Scarecrow), and Heart (the Tin Woodman) to create a spell or potion?   Who would represent brains (Mr. Gold?) and heart (Snow?).  I believe the potion will be used by Zelena to achieve her ultimate goal. 
 
I believe Zelena’s backstory is:  She will be the Dorothy character, an unhappy daughter/step-daughter of a drunk, poor carnival man - Professor Marvel.  She learns her skills of manipulation from him.  She longs for a better life and somehow ends up in Oz.  She stumbles upon a source of magic (the emerald necklace) and becomes a green, wicked witch.
 
Thanks again Jeff and Colleen for a great job.  Hope Lady feels better.  I have two dogs that are very special to me, so I understand how you feel.
 
-Chuck
 
Silly Thoughts –
 
If you notice on the right side at the base of the tower (that held Rapunzel) there appears to be a structure that could have had a doorway. Why didn’t Charming look for a door before climbing the wall?  What if Rapunzel tells Charming (once he gets to the top) that he should have taken the stairs?
 
Will we get to see Zelena ride her bike (like Miss Gulch?).
 
I’m surprised the writers have not had the characters in the Enchanted Forest remark about missing some of the luxuries they enjoyed back in Storybrooke, like a hot shower, cell phones, Granny’s burgers, or a hot cup of coffee?  Especially coffee!

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Okay, revision, Snow and Charming’s baby will by a symbol of heart.  For brains, it may turn out to be something representing knowledge, possibly the book Snow gave Henry that had everyone’s stories?

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Dan from Boston

Hey guys!  Glad to hear you liked my comments!  Well, there’s more where that came from “dearies”!!  And here we. . . . GO!

(1) Yeah Jeff, I also saw the Empire nod when David took off the hood.  But the figure also looked like the Emperor a la Revenge of the Sith too.  Plus, David choking David was Darth Vader straight out of the first scene in A New Hope!!

(2)  Lord of the Rings reference, broken sword to defeat the foe, aka the one that cut off Sauron’s  ring finger in “Fellowship”.

Humor me, I also saw a few Batman/Dark Knight nods here. . . . 

(3) Zelena referring to her father as a “drunkard, and worse (a fiend?)”, Heath Ledger’s Joker.

(4)  David, scaling the tower reminds me of the 60′s Batman show w/Adam West, using the “Bat-grappling hooks”.

(5)  BTW, Did Zelena quip to Regina in, “Witch Hunt”, “Why so . . . serious???”; not sure, I’ll have to re-watch that one.

(6)  Zelena w/dark dagger, giving Rumple a shave, looking a bit like Helene Bonham Carter in “Sweeney Todd”, don’t you think?   As an aside, it must have taken multiple takes to get that scene in, shaving without cream, with a PLASTIC DAGGER!?!   “It’s only a model!. . .. SHHHHH!!!”

ANYWAY. . . .(7)  Also, with the shaving scene, if they are in fact father and daughter, then a line from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off came to mind while watching this, “Hmmmm, so THAT’S how it is in their family!?!”  ;)

PONDER ME THIS!!  (Sorry. .. . just HAD to say it. .. . . . ):

What if Zelena is taking such an interest in the Charming’s expectant baby is because, . . . .wait for it. . . . (or, “Stay on target. . . .”), the baby is, in fact, Zelena herself!!  A “Back to the Future time paradox if you will,  “GREAT SCOTT Grumpy!!”

Closing on a serious note, if you don’t mind.  PLEASE send your thoughts and prayers out to the families and friends of two Boston firefighters, who earlier this week lost their lives while doing what they do best, saving others.  (Getting religious for a second. . . ) .  “Eternal rest, grant unto them, O Lord, and let the perpetual light shine around them.  And may the souls of the faithful departed, through the loving mercy of God, rest in peace.    Amen. 

Thank you for that guys, just needed to be said.

Peace,
Dan, Boston 

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Brad

Hello Jeff and Colleen, it’s good to hear that there were no complications with Lady going to the vet this past week.
Now, unto the things I learned this week on the episode, The Tower. 

#1. What drew Emma to Walsh was a 
       proper vanity set.
#2. Always appreciate your jailor.
#3. Weaponry can be used as 
          shaving tools.
#4. David is a berry connoisseur.
#5. You never know what secrets 
          you’ll find in someone else’s 
          quiver.
#6. Regina’s daycare service is 
          open for business.
#7. Flying monkeys + Granny’s 
         cross bow = target practice.
#8. Never hold a woman’s hand 
         during pregnancy, unless you 
         have 30 years to recover. 
#9. While being choked, David does a 
         great Batman impression.
#10. Killian uses his hook like an 
           iPhone.  
OBSERVATIONS:
Everything in this episode was great except for Rapunzel. She was just a woman with long hair that served no purpose. There wasn’t even a real witch, she put herself in the tower.  I thought she could have been so much more but it seems like they just turned her into a throwaway character. I see her taking the same route as Ashley, Kathryn or Ariel.
Or maybe even worse, be subject to just one episode like Gaston, Hansel and Gretel, Nova or Sir Lancelot. You could have removed her part in this episode entirely and it wouldn’t even have made a difference. So, I’m kind of disappointed in her first appearance, hopefully they prove me wrong and this won’t be the last time we see her. 
While Zelina is talking with Snow she says “He caught you in a net?” I believe this may be a reference to Lost. In episode 22 of season 2, Jack tells Sawyer how him and Kate were caught in a net. Sawyer mistakenly takes this to mean that they slept with each other. Later in the episode, Sawyer uses this same term to tell Jack that he slept with Ana-Lucia by saying, “we got caught in a net!”. 
Regina had a smile on her face when it was revealed that Rumpelstiltskin was alive. Is the real fun about to begin?

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While Zelena talked with Rumpelstiltskin she had her emerald ring on.

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And while with David and Snow it looks she was wearing some type of green collar brooch. I can only assume it was made of an emerald as well.

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So far, every scene has her wearing some type of emerald. 

FAVORITE QUOTE:
“Let’s send that witch back to Oz” – David

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Alena

like that Zelena is using the characters there instead of bring in the scarecrow tin man cowardly lion now that she has a symbol of Charming courage I think Rumple is the brain and Nealfire is the heart and she going through the family line I think Emma is going to be Dorothy in this story because Emma never really had a home and I think Emma going to realize Storybrooke is her home I like the Rapunzel story and I don’t think it’s done my theory is we haven’t seen the last of Walsh what if Walsh is Rider Flynn and he was a thief and he stole from Zelena and she caught him and to spare his life he did her bidding by sending to him New York to keep Emma there I have question do you think it been better if we saw what her and Henry life was like in New York minus Hook and she got a case in any part of Maine and her and Henry went to Maine and stumble upon Storybrook like it was fate since they talk about fate and destiny and as they enter storybrook their memories start to come back to them like in the mid finale when they drove over the town line you saw their memories changing I know they probably want to show us that Hook will always comeback for Emma because Neilfire didn’t or because they are setting up that Hook has agenda look forward to listening

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Alexandra

Hi guys my name is Alexandra.  This is my first time writing in but I have been listening to the show since the start of season 2.  I’m a huge Rumple fan and I was too excited for words when I saw he was back.  I loved seeing the crazy Rumple like you guys and I almost hope that the actually is a little crazy so it can give him some more character development, maybe with a caring Belle?  I did have to mention this because of the new bit with Rumple “spinning,” Ok that’s not how you spin.  The raw material goes from your hand onto the bobbin. You don’t pull it out like that.  I’m a spinner myself.  I live on a small farm in New Hampshire with a flock of sheep.  I spin while watching the show and I spin while listening to your podcast.  A huge pet peeve of mine is that they never bothered to teach Robert Carlyle how to spin at all.  Every single time a spinning wheel is on the show something is wrong.  The most obvious instance is with his great wheel where the whole point of having a huge wheel like that is the mechanical advantage but the drive band went around the hub of the wheel making the whole thing pointless.  I digress, spinning is just important to me and to have a character that I LOVE who also loves spinning and then have him doing it obviously wrong all the time is a bummer.
Anyway I love your show.  Keep up the good work.

P.S. Alexandra again it’s lambing season!  I thought I’d send you these cute pics, and yes I am a Irish red head ya ginger hater ;)

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3X14 The Tower – First Thoughts – Lots of Daddy Issues, Facing Fears, SW and Raiders shout outs, Scary movies, Hitchcock shots, WW Cowardly?

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Date: March 23rd 2014

Episode Title: The Tower

Podcast Number: 211

Shownotes can be found at Onceuponatimepodcast.com/211

The dove flew out of the Charming/Regina castle at the beginning. Any significance?

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Emma in her nursery

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The Princess at her first ball

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Daddy teaching daughter to dance.

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Twilight Zone – Emma. OUATIW portal.

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You Failed me. Don’t fail the next one.

A dream

Snow’s pregnant. First time? It must have been during the cursed/forgotten past year.

Regina – If we’re cursed, she’ll look like anyone of us. The curse always includes a loophole for the caster.

Hook still thinks Neal is a Flying Monkey. I’m still betting he and Belle are at Rumpel’s estate.

Physical evidence in Regina’s office left behind by Zelena. It reminds me of Fruit of the Poisonous Tree with Sydney and Emma.

Nancy Drew.

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Regina has to lie about who she is so Henry doesn’t freak out.

Rumpel spinning. Clears the mind, soothes the soul. Why is he spinning straw into gold?

Somehow Zelena has the Dark One dagger. Did it reset after Rumpel stabbed Daddy? How did she find it? Is it the real one? Is Rumpel playing her?

All the voices in my head, will be quiet when I’m dead. Does he mean the Dark One part?

We still don’t know what happened after Rumpel killed Daddy. He did a Regina move, btw.

Zelena’s father? Hands would shake from drink or worse.

Shaving scene. Does Zelena have a thing for Rumpel?

Keep up appearances.

In a new land. A land of opportunity.

Belle in the Pawn shop.

Mrs. Gold – Belle.

Ella got her contract from there and I believe that’s where Bae’s shawl was in also.

Why did Zelena wait til she turned around to freeze her?

How did Zelena know that it was in there?

Halle Berry? Oh, Holly Berry. Again with the Toll Bridge.

Does Hook not like Snow?

Bros and Brews. Hook passed on the love of Rum.

Robin Hood keeps his family safe by staying in the Queen’s Castle. Smooth move.

Feeling of Dread. Fear. This cursed land seems like Neverland. Mind games.

Friar Tuck.

White Moss. Looks like

Night Root.

That part of the forest is haunted.

Mid Wife meeting – Hitchcock 101. God’s Eye View, Extreme Close ups, Awesome angles.

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Zelena knew Johanna.

Crushed up thing she stole from Gold’s shop. Night Root?

Rapunzel lives in a Tower in a part of the forest that is supposed to be haunted.

She lost counts of the years. Princess. Parents are King and Queen of this realm. She came for the night root. Older brother?

Nightmare on Elm Street. Fear in sleep.

Charming tries to rescue her. The cloaked “witch” crawls up the Tower.

Snow expresses anxiety.

Get all the fears out in the open – Echo Cave part Deux.

Fearless

Did Charming switch mugs?

Another poisoning story arc.

The cloaked witch returns.

Henry did get his ice cream. They probably went to Sara’s Old fashioned Ice Cream.

Regina hears how happy Emma was in New York. Emma should have left well enough alone? Regina nicely says Henry will have more family than you’ll know what to do with.

Hook likes to use his Hook.

Hook courting danger with Emma Swan.

Hook sticks to his tale as Emma’s Super Power goes off.

Saving you from a loveless marriage. If it can be broken. It means it still works. The wall rises again.

The farmhouse – OMG!

Is Rumpel the Witch?

Generally scary.

Sword/Cellphone

She’ll kill you.

Shrek face?

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Look up, Charming!

Silence of the Lambs.

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Bike with the basket.

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The storm cellar.

Scared?

How much does Granny charge for Babysitting.

The tree cave.

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I am her.

Anakin sword move. I meant Obi Wan.

Overcome your fear by facing it.

Temple of Doom rope bridge

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Cut it away. Let it go.

Frightened of an uncertain future

Love is weakness

Fear is weakness

“I’m not afraid” Luke ESB

The yellow bug returns.

I’m afraid I won’t be a good father.

Green smoke. Zelena’s handiwork.

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Whiter than a fresh sail.

Rapunzel – She almost drown. Her brother saved her, but couldn’t save himself. It was her brother’s throne.

I was never her father.

We’re going to do this together.

We have a nursery to build.

Symbols of Charming Courage. Cowardly Lion?

Fargo-ish.

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Dark magic.

Psycho – light exposing the creepy truth. Storm cellar/root cellar

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Regina’s happy about Rumpel returning.

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