FT 4X08 Smash The Mirror Pt1&2 – First Thoughts – 255

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Episode Name: Smash the Mirror Part 1 & 2

Episode Number: 255

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MS – 4X07 The Snow Queen – 254 – Colleen’s Book Writer Theory, OUAT Winter Finale Watch Party in OC, Ribbons and more

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Episode Name: The Snow Queen

Episode Number: 254

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2 First Thoughts tomorrow night – Smash the Mirror Part 1, then Smash the Mirror Part 2

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We will be attending the Winter Finale Watch Party on December 14th, 2015

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Colleen’s Theory about the author of the book

Each character writes their own story as they make choices and learn things in life.

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From Chris

Holy crap, holy crap, holy crap what an episode!! Ingrid and her sisters were very cute together. Im glad Helga isnt related to anyone, or anyone we know (cough, cough bells mom). Once again we see someone go to Rumple and it ends badly. I really love how the progression of they’re story made sense, and the tragic end to it really makes me sympathize with Ingrid more. It kind of surprised me that Gerta trapped Ingrid in the urn, i thought they’re love was stronger than that, but I can see it, given the horrific circumstances. I found it fascinating how this was almost a fan fic of how frozen could have turned out!! Is it just me or did Helga look nothing like Emma… Did they forget that point?

Now, outlaw queen… Holy snot im so proud of Regina. I feel like shes almost Snow levels of good now. She deserves Robins choice, but its still sort of jacked up of Robin… Today is not the day I follow my code!! Ok dude!! I suppose he can blame it on him being imbued with much dark liquor (credit for that goes to Daniel Lewis from ONCE podcast, i can’t take credit for his genius)

Anyway, Emmas Lord of the Rings reference was genius! Aurora and her “devil box”, shes really getting acquainted with our technology!! We see Ashley for no reason for the first time in forever (sing it!!) They completely trolled us when Robin asked Will what happened to Anastasia and he just gave no answer at all, but troll of the week goes to Gold…tricking Henry with the magical potion of furniture polish, and black cat at that!

Ingrid using Emmas jealously about her brother and uncertainty about her parents to set her powers off… Shes so wickedly twisted!! Even though i get her somewhat now, shes still coo-coo for cocoa puffs!! Her look when Emma blew out the wall was priceless!! She looked completely bat crap insane in that scene! Ive been saying all along she will become the best villain yet and I really feel vindicated after this episode. Elizabeth Mitchell is so talented!! Why does she want her ribbons back, what did she tell Rumple that he could have been so gleeful to have to do? Overall This was my favorite episode this year 4.8 out of 5 Shattered sister’s – Chris Tipton

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From Chris

Ivd been racking my brain all morning, and ive finally come up with something. What if Rumple has to find the actual sorcerer, who is the real owner of the hat, and kill him. Rumple may or may not already know who it is. One the original owner is dead, Rumple can have full ownership and full control of its power. Thats my pet theory and im sticking to it!! – chris tipton

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From Brad

Hello Jeff and Colleen, here are the things I learned this week on the episode, The Snow Queen.

1). The statement “We will never look
at you as a monster” actually
means, we will DEFINITELY look
at you as a monster someday.

2). When the power goes out,
choose which candle you use
carefully.

3). The sheriff’s station has a ‘newly
installed’ back entrance.

4). Every child knows his mom’s
“scary face”.

5). It always starts with a dance.

6). Gold’s shop has the cleanest
floors in town.

7). If you ever need to distract Hook,
just give him a mirror.

8). If you need a partner for darts,
let Robin down easy.

9). Don’t underestimate the power of
furniture polish.

10). Emma never has to worry about
a cold cup of coffee.

OBSERVATIONS

OPERATION MONGOOSE

Do Henry and Regina really think they can pull this off without Gold realizing it? This is the Dark One, he knows everything! Including who walks into his shop without ever turning around. He either wants it to happen or doesn’t care. It reminds me of trying to trick your parents when you were young. They somehow always knew. If Henry ends up using the hat, it’s all part of Gold’s plan.

INGRID

What makes Ingrid a villain? What I mean by this, is what has she done with evil intent that cannot be reversed? She froze Hans and Marion but neither of them were killed. We assume she erased Emma and Elsa’s memory and did something with Anna but have not yet been given any proof. She made Emma feel like her parents feared her but that won’t last. So far, all of these things are redeemable. Her sister doesn’t count because that was an accident. If you look at the whole picture, she’s really not that evil. In fact, Gerda trapping her in the urn and erasing everyone’s memory of her is worse in my opinion. Also Regina and Gold have done far more evil things than she ever has, just saying.

THE PRICE OF MAGIC

I agree with you Jeff, the price for Gerda erasing everyone’s memory is more than likely, Elsa being born with the same powers as her trapped and forgotten sister. This way, she would never forget what she did to her.

CYRIL KEEP

When Emma and Elsa are in the Sherff’s Station, Emma gives Elsa a book that tells about a spell that can trap Ingrid. Before she lays it down though, for a brief second, there is a transcript that can be seen. Here it was it says:

Interview/Transcript
CYRIL KEEP
Q. What’s your name?
A. Cyril Kemp
Q. What do you do for a living Cyril?
A. I am an unemployed math
teacher. I receive a small disability
pension. It’s because of this
problem I have.
Q. What problem do you have?
A. Something in myself when I sleep.
The dream, you know.
Q. Do you have a criminal record?
A. No
Q. Where do you live?
A. I live in a homeless shelter.
Q. Do you know this boy?
A. Yes, I know him. I saw him playing
Q. Did you take this boy with you?
A. It was me that took him, yes. You
should say that. It was me.
Q. Took who?
A. The boy in the park. I don’t know
why. Anger I suppose.
Q. Where is the boy now?
A. I don’t know.
Q. Where did you hide him?
A. I don’t know. I don’t know.
Q. You said that you took the boy.
Where did you take the boy?
A. (Refuses to answer).
Q. Cyril, where did you take this
boy?
I have no idea what this transcript is, I
just thought it was really weird.

GOLDEN BIRD

As Regina flipped through the book, she saw a picture of Snow and Charming, Cinderella and Thomas and right before Robin and Marion, we see an image of the Golden Bird story. We have seen this story multiple times in the book. I don’t think it has any significance, I just find it interesting that they use it all the time.

THOR’S HAMMER

Yes, it was shown again in Rumpelstilskin castle.

EMMA’S TATTOO

There was a obvious shot of Emma’s tattoo in this episode. I feel we may learn it’s importance soon.

THE PACT

The sisterly pact, which said, “As long as we hold these ribbons, we will be there for each other, we’ll never be alone” was broken once Ingrid gave her ribbon to Rumpelstiltskin. She forgot the importance of what they stood for and I believe this weakened her bond with her sisters, or at least with Gerda. So when it came down to remembering the pact, all Gerda saw was a monster.

TURNING TO ICE

In the movie Frozen, Anna did not turn into ice right away when her heart was frozen. Marion’s body instantly froze, then it moved to her heart. Once the ice reached it, Regina said she would not be able to be saved. Then when Helga is hit in the heart, she falls apart! What are the rules of being frozen because I have no idea!?!?!?

INGRID AND THE URN

From the time Ingrid gets sucked into the urn and then released by Hans, there is a dramatic change in her personality. I thought maybe that something else had happened before this but she is wearing the same outfit. I would think she would still feel remorse and want to make amends but time in the urn seems to have made her bitter and jaded.

MOMMY SUPPORT GROUP

Although I loved seeing Ashley and Aurora again, I wish they could have been used more intricately in the show. We go from not seeing Ashley in forever, to pretending like she’s always been there. It’s the one thing that really bothers me about the show. The Blue Fairy should be helping with Ingrid but she’s completely vanished as well and nobody seems to have noticed. It’s so frustrating when you love these characters so much!

THEORIES

INGRID’S WHISPER TO GOLD

Theory #1: Gold needs to use the hat to take away Ingrid’s, Elsa or Emma’s power in order to her the hat to work.

Theory #2: He needs the heart of the thing he despises the most.

Theory #3: The owner of the hat needs to die or be killed in order for a new owner to obtain it’s ultimate power.

BURNING QUESTIONS

Do you think the ribbons posses power to make someone love you?

Is Helga really gone? If there is a way for her to return, this would be all that Ingrid would need to turn back to the way she used to be.

– Brad

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From Maii

Hey guys! Hope you had a lovely week, my week was actually pretty great, very good episodes in my shows, great spoilers, , changed my hair color and the best I got the paperwork for my degree turned in so I should be getting it around april!

Omf how about that episode?? It was really good definitely was a build-up ep for this week’s but definitely still pretty damn amazing.. I’m going to do something maybe different and try just focus on everything Emma’s storyline (okay maybe that’s not so different from usual but yeah)..Usual Suspects is a fantastic movie.

Flashbacks:

WESELTON!! I loved the callback of the weasel really..

I think this is probably the best villain backstory they have ever written in the show. Why? because unlike Regina or Rumple this one was truly tragic. A truly tragic accident.

The sisters’ relationship was pretty incredible. Helga was by far my favorite and she was the one that calmed Ingrid the most. The story of who they got the gloves and how everything happened broke my heart. I loved seeing Helga stand up for her sister above everything.

I definitely feel like everything could have been avoided had Ingrid been stronger and trusted her sisters instead of handing over the ribbons. That’s where everything went wrong.

Helga was a lot like Killian in the way that they don’t care if the other person has magic or not, they love them all the same. The fact that her biggest supporter got accidentally killed by her. That must have been horrible to witness and Gerda’s reaction was no better.

It kind of sheds some light as to why Ingrid would assume that Anna was in charge of putting Elsa in the urn, after all it’s what happened to her.

This backstory doesn’t excuse Ingrid but it gives you an understanding of why she is the way she is. It makes her an even more interesting villain because she manipulates like no other and firmly believes she’s doing the right thing. Elizabeth Mitchell throws it out of the park with her performances.

Gerda’s price was having Elsa as a daughter.. Also I definitely think the ribbons will come back. She wants them for Emma and Elsa and that worries me.

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Sidenote before I get into the meta of it all, Belle trying to protect Killian from the mirror was just too precious for words.

I don’t get why they would leave Emma alone with the Snow Queen I think that was definitely their first mistake. I loved how Killian and Charming automatically just shared a look and left knowing Emma would be in trouble. The scene at Gold’s is also very important because it’s Killian once again calling out Gold on his shadiness.

The scene with the streetlamp, this scene is so important. I’m going to have another section on Snow so I’m not getting into that here so first: blocking.

I don’t know if I mentioned this before but my degree is in Com specialized in Film. So I got basically trained in a way to notice this sort of things, blocking, scene direction, etc etc.

When the streetlight lamp falls Emma is on one side and the rest are on the other. Killian is on her side of the lamp post as well.. Charming, Snow and Henry are right behind the lamp post.

Elsa and Rumbelle are pretty far behind, although Elsa is closer. Elsa and Rumple know what out of control magic can do so they obviously are standing back. The charmings are right behind the lamp post meaning they are close but there’s a barrier between them and Emma, something preventing them from getting closer.

Killian is on the same side, and he’s reaching out. Killian will be the only one to manage to get through to her. He loves her and all that she represents, he loves the savior, the lost girl, his swan.

This episode makes a lot of emphasis on hands, the sisters hold hands, Gerda refuses to hold Ingrid’s hand, Emma’s hands seem to be the cause of the magic going haywire… you know who else had a big emphasis on hands? Captain Swan. Throughout the eps this season they had a big show of making us see CS holding hands or touching in some way. He helps her control the magic and even in this ep he reaches out for her. He doesn’t want to let her go. He reaches out even after she runs because he doesn’t care.

He and Charming are the only ones to get close to to her. They don’t care what she is, they love her all the same.

Killian Jones is about to be crushed by a falling street lamp and he doesn’t even know. He’s just standing there watching his Swan, hurting for her. All he wants to do is help her. And he can’t. And he feels so helpless because she is frightened and he can’t do anything about it. It’s chaos around him and he’s focused on Emma.

And Charming? We all know he loves his daughter more than life itself. And I think in this instance the falling lamp post is what gets his attention. Not because it’s going to fall on him. Not because it’s going to fall on Emma. Because it’s going to fall on Killian, on the man who is making his daughter happy.

My beautiful Adriane and her extremely beautiful metas just say the things I want to say in a much eloquent manner.

http://sheriffswan.tumblr.com/post/102237387249/emma-swan-4×07-thinky-thoughts

Emma being afraid of her magic isn’t seeing Emma going back to her old ways, it’s actually seeing Emma trying to deal with who she is once again, so far, Emma has only tried to use her magic to protect people, now she needs to get a hand on it all.

This is the classical kind of step for the hero: the passage where they need to deal with the “darker” side of her magic, the thing is, the only dark side in Emma is actually her inability to trust herself. She came a long way, she started trusting her son, her parents, her lover, Killian, but now, she needs to trust herself.

Ultimately, while Emma is surrounded by people she loves and who loves her, she needs to get in that place where she knows she can do it and believes in her own skills.

This is certainly not an easy thing to do and wont be easy for her to move past those issues of her, it won’t be easy seeing how the Snow Queen is pushing the right buttons. More seriously, the Snow Queen pushes further by actually putting her own issues on Emma. In a way the Queen is right, they are a lot alike except that everyone gave up of her when Emma’s family isn’t and won’t.

Emma’s arc now will be all about trying to move past this wall herself, it’s believing in herself, believing in the love of others and knowing that yes, she is not alone and not a monster.

Today, Emma was reminded that she could very much be a monster, and she doesn’t need to think much to picture it: she saw Rumple, she saw Regina, Zelena, Pan, and now the Snow Queen, and if Emma learned one thing it’s that those people didn’t start as wrong persons but at some point things went wrong.

Emma saw the fear in her loved ones’ eyes when they faced monsters, people she herself considered to be monster, but now, she saw the exact same thing in her mother’s life.

Again, this seems to be the main piece of the puzzle, Emma’s mother, she always missed that figure in her life, and definitely has an issue with Snow right now. She saw her mother being scared of her, in a way she was scared of other villains, other monsters.

Emma didn’t believe the Snow Queen when she said she was also a monster for her family, but she is definitely starting to believe it because of Snow.

I truly hope that they will address this issue because the potential is huge and the next episodes are just going to be excellent if they keep going like that. And there’s of course, no way that Killian and Henry won’t be a huge part of that arc. Next episodes showed us that both Henry and Killian being presently active for her to bring her back home – once again.

More importantly, it seems that the two people who accept her as she is will do everything to bring her back home safely.

-Snow-

If there’s one relationship they have let fall down the drain it’s Snow/Emma. They focused on Regina/Snow rather than Snow/Emma and a result there’s a severe lack of understanding on both sides (Starting in the Echo Cave when Snow mentioned it wasn’t what she wanted) . This episode though Snow was the one in the wrong.

The 2nd scene is more shocking but in a way it’s understandable, it’s a gut reaction, your kid does something bad and even if they don’t mean it you react. You could see she regretted it the moment she saw Emma’s face but for me the really really bad moment was the first one.

First there’s the 1st time mother comment which must have stung, not only for Emma as a daughter but as a mother as well.. Because she wasn’t able to all this with Henry. She ignored it and was all happy to babysit her little brother. Then the mishap happened and I was appalled at Snow. So this is the Snow that has her kid all around town with Regina and Rumple and Ingrid, Ruby etc and she doesn’t mind. But when it comes to her daughter she flinches?? She doesn’t just flinch she backs away and holds baby Charming closer to her. Emma would never hurt her little brother and Snow’s reaction was really bad.

“We failed Charming” NO.. WE didn’t fail. YOU failed Snow. Charming loves his daughter above all else. He went after her when she was freaking out and then he accompanied Elsa and Killian to go look for Emma. You stayed home and didn’t realize you had screwed up until Elsa pointed it out.Charming did NOT fail, because Charming had no fear he actually went after her. This one was on Snow.

I don’t really agree with the OQ scene because it was like hey here are all the reasons why my Marian was amazing, let me go have sex with her murderer…

Since the beginning of the show Emma and Regina were shown to be mirror each other. Light and dark, good and evil, parenting styles. So it make sense that their love interest are the same as well.

Hook started of as a man of honor, only to become a man without honor because of first love (he had a code as a pirate, but at the lost of Milah, he truly became a man w/o honor). Soon after meeting emma, he starts to become a man of honor again.

Robin started out as man w/o honor, only became a man with honor because of his first love, Marian, made him become a better man. After meeting Regina, he slowly starting to turn back to the man he once was, a man w/o honor.

Captain Swan:

So as to Jeff’s question:

I’m posting this under the CS part because it’s something that basically struck a chord with most shippers. We are all pretty sure Ingrid whispered something to Rumple about Killian.

Rumple responded with “With great pleasure” and there’s nothing that would give him more pleasure than hurting Killian Jones. He’s the only person other than Ingrid that knows about all of Rumple’s lies and the deal with the hat. Rumple absolutely loathes him and very much his enemy still. Also it helps out the Snow Queen because while she might have succeeded in alienating Emma from her family, Killian is a different matter. He’s a variable she didn’t expect, she didn’t think his love for her was that strong. She needs to get him out of the way if she ever wants Emma to be vulnerable enough to need to come to her. As long as Killian Jones is in the picture, Ingrid will never get her way. He is Emma’s person, he’s her true love and he has proven to not be afraid of her. He encourages her magic and Ingrid saw the reaction he had on her magic in the beginning of the season. The only way to truly crumble Emma Swan’s defenses is to take Killian Jones from her.

My friend Laura is evil bc she posted this after the ep: What if it’s like, true love’s sacrifice or something?

Like, Rumple’s actually going to manipulate things in such a way that Killian gets sucked into the hat in Emma’s place because he’s trying to protect her.

It would make perfect sense that to unlock the true potential of the hat there would have to be an actual of pure unselfish love. Who have proven to have pure unselfish love and devotion? Captain Swan

For the Belle thing, he’s already killed people and she doesn’t find out, so it’s probably not a big factor.

I figured I’d post this separately from the Emma ones because it was a very curious comment. It’s regarding the family comment during the talk with Ingrid.

http://legen-waitforit-married.tumblr.com/post/102436767124/i-have-been-seeing-many-of-my-fellow-cser-say-that

I have been seeing many of my fellow CSer say that when Emma says “400 years”, she could also mean Rumplestiltskin. But we would like to think that it’s Killian.

However, I just wanted to point out that it is pretty canon on the show that she meant Killian. When Elsa asked if any of her “family” had magic, she said no. Well guess what? Rumple has magic. If Emma considered Rumple as her family, she would have said yes. But she didn’t.

And this both scenes are from the same episode. It means that ofcourse the writers had in mind what Emma would consider as her “family”. Besides in last week’s promo, when they said “family”, they showed Snowing and Emma with Killian. This was an official promo, by ABC. And let’s not forget that she has been making comments about Killian’s age for the past three episodes, skipping 4×05.

It is pretty canon that she meant Snowing, herself (2nd generation), Henry, and Killian.

But you know that’s all just the technical part of this.

What I think is so beautiful is that Emma already considers Killian as her family. It just goes to show how strong her feelings for him already were before she even accepted that she has feelings for him. You do not make someone your family just like that. Making someone a part of your family means that you are comfortable with that person, you respect their opinions, you respect them, and most importantly, you love them. Family is your home and Emma truly believes that Killian is her home, along with her parents and her son.

It took Emma two whole seasons to let Killian in, but once she did, she did whole-heartedly. She didn’t measure their love and said that how can he be family when I just started dating him. No. Once she let him in, she let all her feelings for him just FLOW. And I think the exact moment that she realized that he was family was in 4×02, when charming gave that “this family always finds each other and never likes to give up” speech. Because she knows that Killian found her in NYC and he never gave up on her, even when she gave up on herself. And here I am especially talking about 3×22 moment, when she gave up on her magic but it was Killian’s faith that she can do it, that made her do it. She wanted to run and hide and never look back because she was scared to embrace happiness. But Killian never gave up on her and made her realize that she deserves happiness and brought her home. And she knows that she would do the same for him whenever he needs her.

I think it is really beautiful, the way the writers are writing their journey. I mean it’s just that how all these moments which are beautiful individually, but when you connect these moments and form a bigger picture, you see how beautiful their relationship is and how beautiful this journey has been. Killian Jones is Emma’s best friend and a part of her family, and that is what makes their relationship so organic and rich, in my opinion.

There’s a great parallel storyline happening with Killian and Emma. The interactions with Emma/Ingrid in this episode were very similar to the ones between Killian and Gold during the Apprentice.

They were both manipulated into thinking they are monsters and they just want to protect those they love.

Amazing Parallel gif set regarding Killian/Gold and Emma/Ingrid

http://bellamyfraserjones.tumblr.com/post/102244458672

So that’s it for now, Much Love, Maii

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@p2theezzo I think #SnowQueen WANTS them to shatter the mirror to cast her spell. She’s tricking them all! #theories #ouat

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@Shelby_Renee24 You need to mention that the girl who played Ingrid played Lizzie on Walking Dead… my theory of why she’s a bit crazy ❄️

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4X07 The Snow Queen – First Thoughts – 253

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Episode Name: The Snow Queen

Episode Number: 253

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Symbol on the kite. Star?

3 sisters flying a kite.

Who’s the dude behind the tree?

He told Ingrid “You’re a monster”

Sisterly pact

3 ribbons – We’ll never be alone.

Elevator to the clock tower. Wow.

Regina and Ingrid have mirrors in their lairs.

Lord of the Rings mention.

Belle and her books is a force to be reckoned with.

Aurora doesn’t know what a CD or a TV is.

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4X06 Family Business – Main Show – 252

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Episode Name: Family Business

Episode Number: 252

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Email points:

From Aleana

My theory is what if Belle mother wrote the book because we found out she is a writer and that she didn’t died and was kidnapped by the orges

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From Chris. Chris Tipton.

Hey guys, im the “anonymous” feedbacker from last week. Sorry i forgot to include a name. Im Chris, Chris Tipton! So on with the review. Another very strong episode!! My thoughts on 4×05 “Family Business: Bells back story was very cool, nice to see this connecting with what we already know about bell and also revealing that it was her idea to call on Rumple to win the Ogars war. I did feel it was out of character for Bell to lie to Elsa like that and for her to use the dagger on Rumple. I guess they did figure out a cool way for her to figure out his secret, but then he just pulls the wool over her eyes and she believes it. Bells been way to big a pushover this season to me. I love seeing more of the Ingrids plans. I was disappointed with her endgame last week but finding out more this week shows her desires as unique and very twisted. Shes completely psychotic!! Nice to know she really is there aunt… More characters related, didn’t see that coming. Also how did no one else know she had an ice cream truck? So proud of Regina, shes come so far!! Who would have thought she would tell Robin to Forget her to save Marian?! I really want to know How Rumple knows Ingrid… Maybe he trained her to? Ingrids mirror is very creepy, it’s nice to know how it works now. And lastly that house was obviously Ingrids since she had the hat and she still thought she did till Rumple showes her otherwise. Another great episode 4.1 out of 5 evil ice cream trucks!!

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From Jennifer

I was wondering if I could be sent a poster of once upon a time with autographs of the cast to my house plz I have been able to meet them and it would be nice to have something like that and sending it to the fan mail address it would take to many months for them to be able to read it if you have information about getting autographs let me know

Jennifer

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From Janice

Hello, Jeff and Colleen, my name’s Janice Marie. I am 17 years old (18 by the time you read this; November 8th is my birthday) and I am a huge fan of your podcast. Since this is my first time writing to you, I just wanted to give you a few of my thoughts on what I think of the episode “Family Business.”

•OAKEN IS BEST GUEST CHARACTER!!!

•Where did they put Maid Marian??? Did they stick her in a huge freezer so she wouldn’t melt???

•Since “Gerda” is the name of Elsa and Anna’s mother, I can only assume that Elsa and Anna’s father’s name is “Kai,” being that those are the two main character’s names from Hans Christian Andersen’s original story.

• Belle can climb Rocky Mountains in heels LIKE A BOSS!

•I think the way the Snow Queen’s spell of “Shattered Sight” is going to turn everyone against each other is going to be the same way it was used the original fairytale. In the fairytale, the way it was used on the little boy, Kai, was that a piece of the shattered glass from the mirror got stuck in one of his eyes and another one pierced his heart. That is how he started become cruel to Gerda in the story. The way Gerda was able to break the spell was by crying in his chest while embracing him, causing the piece of glass to fall out of his eye. I believe it’s going to have to be something similar to that in the show, However, I don’t think any of the Charmings or Regina are going to cry in everybody’s chest…

•Also, when are we going to see Henry working in Gold’s shop??? I want to see how he’s going to be working “undercover.”

•Speaking of Henry, I heard that he’s supposably going to get a love interest later this season. There were rumors that his love interest was going to be Lily but since we saw that she was part of Emma’s past, that’s highly unlikely. (If he does get a love interest, I want her to played by Lilla Crawford [famed for playing “Annie” on Broadway], who will be playing Red Riding Hood in Disney’s adaptation of “Into the Woods.”)

•As if I didn’t want to be friends with Anna more, now I really want to be her friend so I can get 50% off the Sauna at Wandering Oaken’s.

Finally….

•Plot Twist: Will Scarlet is gonna end up defeating the Snow Queen

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4X06 Family Business – First Thoughts – 251

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Episode Name: Family Business

Episode Number: 251

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Belle and her Mom at there Castle during the Ogres war.

Belle’s Mother “I will find her”

Belle’s Dad

Belle’s Mother died.

The hat box in the famous safe

Hiding Snow Queen’s things in the van. What about the miniature ice castle?

Creatures that restore memories. No memory restoring potion this time?

What magical deal did Belle’s father make that had a price?

So, Belle’s Dad locked her up, too (Until the doctor’s say she’s better. Like Alice?)? Belle can’t catch a break of freedom.

Arendelle has the memory returning creatures? Rock Trolls?

So, the Snow Queen taught Elsa to control her emotions.

“Our gift” runs in the family – like the Force.

Is the Snow Queen really their Aunt?

No records of her in either world.

Oaken’s Trading Post.

The Merry men couldn’t find the Ice Cream truck?

Captain Guyliner.

You heard her heartbeat with Bo Peep’s staff. Why didn’t they use it like a GPS?

Belle, Oaken and Anna (Not Joan this time).

1/2 price on the sauna.

Robin told Regina that she was avoiding him, like Hook told Emma.

Regina “Forget about me, and fall in love with your wife again”

Gold need leverage.

Belle “Don’t worry Anna, I will find you”

Did Belle’s Mother die in the Ogres war, really?

Sometimes the answer isn’t what you want.

Twisted man, Rumpelstiltskin

Take me to the Snow Queen

Wounds made when we were young, tend to linger.

Why did Sarah Fisher erase Emma’s memories?

OMG – Belle is unwittingly making Gold tell her about the hat. Brilliant.

Grand Pabby

Stone Tea, like Stone Soup?

Anna’s Mother had two sister. Gerta, Helga and Ingrid.

Helga and Inga vanished.

Belle in the mirror.

The Snow Queen took the hat box.

Another Belle vision.

“Ruin someone’s life”

You know what kind of beast you’re dealing with.

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Lily, Narnia, and Important Message to all #Oncers at the End 4X05 Breaking Glass – Main Show – 250

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Episode Name: Breaking Glass

Episode Number: 250

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From Aleana

My theory is the Apprentice is the one who sent the Snow Queen into the real world because we know one reason the Snow Queen doing what she doing because she want a family

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Hey yall! Love your show, first time writer. My thoughts on “Breaking Glass” I felt like Emmas back story just rehashed what we’ve seen so many times before… She trusted someone and got hurt. It did jive well with her and reginas plot in this episode. Those two are amazing together as always!! We got to see more of Will than we’ve seen so far. His line “somebody’s already had a nibble” is one of my all time favorite lines. Sidney betrayed Regina!! Didn’t see that coming! Elizabeth Mitchell as the Snow Queen is so epic. I really feel she is already taking her place as the best villain weve had yet. Shes so quietly evil. Shes chilling!! (yea i went there) That had to be the greatest delivery of im going to build a snowman of all time!! Its nice to know a bit of her endgame, although I dont understand the mirror thing yet.

Some negatives… No Rumple, it was very convenient and easy for Elsa to break out of her chains, and how did Emma just still have that camera? Snow and charmings story just seemed silly to me. Overall my least favorite episode this year but still strong simply because of Elizabeth Mitchell. 3.5/5 nibbles (arbitrary scale)

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From Aleana

My theory is what if the Snow Queen Belle mother and Anna,Elsa mother were sisters and they had this strong bond but Belle mother and Anna Elsa mother both won the princes Belle father Elsa and Anna father and they started to make their on family and unintentionally left the Snow Queen behind and the Snow Queen developed a cold heart which result in her having ice magic and because of her cold heart she curse Elsa and Anna mother by having their first born with similar ice magic and she tried to do the same with Belle mother but accidentally kill her instead so the Snow Queen went to the Apprentice for help and he gave her prophecy about Emma being the savior and order for her plan to work she needed Rumple help and because Rumple can see the future he saw the Snow Queen will ruin his plan for the Savior to break the curse and he trick her into the urn but since Hans unleash her she went back to the Apprentice and he somehow got her into the real world before all the fairytale characters and Emma got their and she waited for Emma to cross her path but something happen and she lost Emma then she found out Emma was in Maine and since I’m assuming fairytale characters could enter Storybrook whether they were curse or not she waited for everything to happen so she launch her plans so we know she wants a family what if she wanted to create the bond she had with sisters with Emma and Elsa since their powerful like her they are stronger apart but could be more stronger together

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From Maii

Honestly there’s 2 theories about Lily at the moment and I love them both..

First is:

In Through The Looking Glass, when Alice first meets the White Queen and the White King, they are looking for their daughter Lily.

It’s canon that Will and Anastasia are the White King and Queen….

And Emma’s friend Lily is an orphan…. (I don’t know how the timing works but it would be an interesting outcome and put Will and Ana more in the story)

The 2nd (a bit more likely) This is from my best friend and sister from another mister Lexi ( http://killians-tinkabelle.tumblr.com/post/101183381259/nerd-moment-lily-and-her-star-birthmark )

It could be a nod to Tiger Lily which would be very cute but since we are done with Neverland I don’t really know if Adam and Eddy would do that.

There are some myths that say a star shaped birthmark means that you have the gift of sight. As in seeing things before they happen. One thing Lily kept stressing that she was special and unique. That her and Emma were both special. In that short period of time they formed a sister like bond. They even promise to never turn their back on the other but it all goes down the drain when Emma learns she has a family. In the last scene with them together we find out the Lily is adopted and feels invisible. For all we know this may be a hint of what is to come or just a way for her to connect with Emma one last time. Could she be the darkness to Emma’s light? Is she someone with magic that got sent into the Land without Magic? Is it a nod to Susan Storm who could turn invisible? Or Lily Potter who’s love protected Harry? Who truly knows but Adam and Eddy why the star birthmark.

One thing that Adam, Eddy and the writers do well is picking character names. They have a way of tying it into the personality, a feature or even true piece of information for that character.

Lily is one of those names that has a lot of story behind it. For one, the name derives from the flower itself. In the Victorian flower language the general meaning for a lily is majesty, honor and Purity of Heart. The white lily which usually comes to mind mean virginity, chastity, purity, majesty,passion,innocence, transition,and youth. As you can see the list is fairly long.

The lily even has a place in mythology. The Greeks believed that the excess milk that dripped from Hera nursing Hercules dripped to earth and created the lily. The Romans myth is pretty much the same as the Greeks but for Roman myth the Lily is connected with goddess Venus as well. The lily even has a connection in Norse myth. It is even connected to modern Christianity to the Virgin Mary and the Holy Trinity. Some also believe that lilies were associated with death as well. They signify that in death, one regains their lost innocence and purity. Even in Tarot the lily has significance. Once again the lily is a symbol of purity, innocence and fertility.Additionally, the lily symbolizes vulnerability, and the freedom to be ourselves. It also symbolizes allowing others to be who they are too. The lily is a symbolic flower of health and provision. In a reading, the lily can be seen as growth, development, and a quality of innocence in our lives. Depending on the surrounding cards, the lily may also indicate new relationships and births.

Captain Swan!

First of all that first scene so adorable! I honestly laughed because they just wrote that scene so that the audience knows why he’s not gonna be with Emma during the episode. Because he’s become such a big part of her life that his absence has to be explained..

I wish we had seen the Captain Cobra sailing trip but I’m happy to know it happened at least. It’s such a huge step for Emma to trust Killian with Henry. It’s one thing to trust him with memoryless Henry when everyone else is going to be fighting it’s another to trust him with her Henry on a normal day..

(Btw does Henry go to school anymore?)

It’s such a wonderful scene. It’s so simple but it’s so meaningful at the same time: the way Emma smiles when Killian enters the sheriff station, his presence warming her heart and making her feel happier. For someone who has held back for so long, been unhappy and unloved for so many years, seeing Emma smiles just like that, and seeing their intimacy, how they flirt and seek each other gaze: they are a couple and they are okay with displaying affection in public, but most importantly to each other and to show how they feel. We came a long way since the beanstalk, and this time Emma is taking a chance, and not holding back anymore, their smiles are everything.

It’s so beautiful to see them all domestic, remember to tell Henry to put on a life vest, then the kiss on the cheek, beautiful…

but the greatest was the scene at the end.

This episode was all about how sad and lonely Emma felt, and it ends with Hook actively seeking her out, being interested in learning about her past, and comforting her when she’s down.

This scene is SO beautiful and SO important for Emma Swan. She’s never let anyone in like this before. She’s let them be part of their life, but never a part of her past. That’s a part of her she’s kept to herself forever. A part that makes her sad, vulnerable, alone. She’s kept it to herself because it feels safest to her that way. Letting her past out shows many things about Emma that no one TRULY knows. Not even her own parents. She keeps the box in the office rather than home for a reason.

Love, Maii

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From Rose

Hi Jeff and Colleen! I just wanted to write and say I love listening to your podcasts every week. I started listening at the end of Season 2. Thanks for taking time to review and discuss my favorite show! :). I have the same theory as you Jeff that Henry will get Into a little trouble with the Sorcerer’s hat, much like Mickey did in Fantasia! I decided to do my pumpkin this year based on that theory. So I am attaching a photo of the Halloween pumpkin that I carved! It took me about 6 hours to carve this. I thought you guys might enjoy it too. Happy Halloween to you and Colleen and of course the Reindog Lady! :) Keep those great podcast coming. I love you guys positive presence in a world with negativity! Big love to you guys!

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From Brad

Greetings Jeff and Colleen, be careful on those ice steps, I hear they’re not very sturdy. Here are the things I learned this week on the episode,
Breaking Glass.

1). Toaster Tarts and water, are the
cornerstone of any nutritious
breakfast.

2). No Queen is complete without
her Sydney Travel-N-Go Mirror.

3). Ice walls hinder cell reception,
who knew?

4). Thor arriving in Storybrooke is
getting closer all the time.

5). The Boozy Bookworm should be
children’s learning book.

6). Sometimes no CGI is better than
bad CGI. I’m looking at you snow
soldier.

7). Maps are only useful when you
can remember where you put
them.

8). The Snow Queen may have at
one time dated Superman.

9). Skipping the Any Given Sundae
tip jar has severe ramifications.

10). There are no online classes for
enchantments.

OBSERVATIONS

SNOW QUEEN

I was impressed to see that the Snow Queen pulled off a double chokehold.

CONTINUITY ERROR

Did you notice that it was broad daylight when Emma went into Regina’s crypt but completely dark when she came out? She was only in there for 10 minutes at the most. This was a noticeable continuity error.

WILL SCARLET

From what I remember on Wonderland, Will left Robin on bad terms when he stole Maleficent’s mirror so he and Anastasia could escape to Wonderland. This will be the first time Robin has seen him since that incident. Hopefully Will can redeem himself in the eyes of Robin and be an asset to the group like he once was.

VELFIE

You were correct about the velfie Jeff. According to the Urban Dictionary, a Velfie means a video selfie.

EMMA AND HENRY PARALLEL

Emma hoped on a bus at night to leave Boston.
Henry hoped on a bus at night to go to Boston.

LILITH IN NARNIA

I found this in a Wikipedia article about the White Witch.
“Although the White Witch appears human (despite her irregular skin colour and abnormal height), Narnian rumour holds that she descends from Adam’s first wife, Lilith”.
Is this another hint that Sarah Fisher is the White Witch or is just a coincidence?

THEORIES

LILY

It would appear that Lily was just a throw away character that showed us how Emma is maturing and learning from her mistakes. The thing that doesn’t make since though is the star tattoo she has had “for as long as she can remember.” I have a feeling she may come back someday with a vendetta against Emma for breaking her promise to always be friends. If you look up Lilth in mythology you will find nothing good about her, she is most definitely evil. I don’t believe she will be this mythical person but they can surely take elements of her characteristics.

EMMA’S TATTOO

Emma said that she wanted to apologize to Lily but when she realized it, it was too late. I believe she got the tattoo of the flower on her left wrist in remembrance of Lily. She regretted the decision not to forgive her so got a tattoo as a constant reminder to forgive and not hold onto anger and bitterness.

MARIAN

I mentioned after the season finale, what if Zelena did not die but instead travelled back in time and is now masquerading as Marian. This to me would tie everything up neatly without having anyone get hurt. Just keep the theory alive.

BURNING QUESTION

When does Emma superpower ever work? Even a person with no power could tell Lily was lying.

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4X05 Breaking Glass – First Thoughts – 249

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Episode Name: Breaking Glass

Episode Number: 249

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Show starts after opening card. Usually it started before.

Ice stairway in the opening card

Snow Queen’s lair reminds me of Superman’s Fortress of Solitude

Is that Anna in ice?

Elsa is impulsive. Emma is more cautious.

Who took their memories?

Oy

Hook still can carry a lot with a hook and a hand.

Bangers and Mash – Mashed Potatoes and Sausage

Will Scarlett’s relationship coaching.

Great photos from Season 1

Sidney has all the cards now.

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4X04 The Apprentice – Main Show – 248

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Episode Name: The Apprentice

Episode Number: 248

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Tweeted by Adam Horowitz, The OUAT episode “Smash the Mirror” on 11/16 will be a 2 Hour episode.

Marilyn emailed a picture of Regina’s only friend, except for Kathryn.

Appearance on Disney Vault Talk Rebel Yell “Fighter Flight”

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From Aleana

My theory is Henry going to be the one to guard the sorceress hat

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From Maii

The Emma and Hook date

We know that Emma always wears her jacket as her own personal armor.
She wore the leather dress with Walsh for that one reason: it was an extension of her armor
Tonight she wore soft pink because she wanted to be close to Killian she wanted romance and love.

He gave her his jacket.
Because she is his girl yes and because now she had a new armor: him.
Because he will protect her.
And she let him in under her walls and protection

The Rumpel and Hook situation

(Also Rumple is enslaving Killian the same way Zelena enslaved him)

Jeff’s thought – Rumpel used Hook’s love for Emma to entrap him to serve him. Hook was trying to do the right thing, but it ended up being the wrong thing at the hand of Rumpel. Now that decision can jeopardize what he’s wanted – to be with Emma.

– The tape

I was just thinking of something.. Killian saw Rumple “magically erasing” the tape… It might be a longshot but do you think that’s going to call back to Zelena’s murder and Gold magically erasing that tape as well?

Honestly I think the hand was cursed and he did it so he could back Killian into a corner. Because Killian has changed and it’s just like Rumple to do this.. Also this is also the hand he had growing up, the hand that was a lieutenant, he was not a bad person when the hand was taken. It was afterwards that he became a villain. So yeah the hand was definitely cursed, and I think the video is definitely a fake.

Look at the man’s house, it was in the middle of nowhere, I don’t really think he would have a security system, and Emma knows Killian why would he attack an innocent old man?

Jeff’s thought – Maybe Hook can convince Emma to use her superpower to divine the truth from Rumpel.

Anna/Rumpel

Honestly I think Rumple was completely lying about the parents, I don’t think they were afraid of her or wanted to take her magic away but rather a way to control her magic. The dark one lies, the dark one tricks.

I definitely think Rumple is going to or went after Kristoff because Anna didn’t specify his name and I think Rumple and the Snow Queen will team up and do something to Anna or to Kristoff to put Elsa against them, but it won’t work bc Elsa knows her sister. But I do think the Snow Queen and Rumple had a hand in Anna/Kristoff being missing while Elsa got trapped in the urn.

More Parallels

The Missing Year my friend, AKA when Hook lost his love by being transported against his will into another realm, shortly after getting hope for a happy ending with her. He then gave up being a hero and tried to revert to his old lawbreaking lifestyle, but it wasn’t enough and he ended up being miserable and drunk all the time despite trying to act like he didn’t care.

…Until he received a sign that a reunion was possible, at which point he gave everything up on the chance to be reunited with her.

This is Red Knave’s missing year equivalent – and though Will isn’t exactly at the “love is nothing but endless torment” stage, well… actually he already went there in OUATIW canon. I’m not saying being separated from Ana is the only reason Will’s here or anything, but this parallel seems really big. I mean, add in what you already pointed out with Emma looking like Ana on her date, and Killian’s modern clothes being a lot like Will’s, and there’s no doubt these parallels are intentional.

And Emma will be the one to help give Will hope for a reunion and to listen to his better instincts and be his better (true) self.

One more thing

Also a final note: Did you notice the bartender looks like Tony from Lady and the Tramp?

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From Marilyn

Hi Jeff and Colleen
Has it ever been established as to where Hook has been staying since he returned sans the Jolly Roger? With Emma’s “I really need to get my own place” line, it started me wondering as to where Hook calls home in Storybrooke.

Hook really should have known that nothing good ever comes out of making a deal with Rumple, especially when he threatened to ruin Rumple’s relationship to Belle, more than once. Now he is stuck dancing to Rumple’s tune after he made one too many empty threats and falling for Rumple’s mind games regarding that re-attached hand.

I am wondering if they are going to be somewhat following the plot of the original Sorcerer’s Apprentice in Fantasia? If that is so then it is possible that Henry, while going undercover at the pawnshop, will somehow stumble across the magical hat, put it on with good intentions, then have mayhem ensue when the magic that is then released gets out-of-hand as it did for Mickey.

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From Brad

Give in to your temptation and turn up the heat, “DO IT!”.
Good day Jeff and Colleen, here are the things I learned this week on the episode, The Apprentice.

1). Mr. Gold is a hoarder of limbs.

2). Sometimes it takes a little
blackmail to bring out the
romance.

3). The reality of how Mickey Mouse
really became a star.

4). Reindeer can pout.

5). Emma better call the Marine
Garage because her car is leaking
some serious fluids.

6). Despite being turned human in
Storybrooke, Lady and the Tramp
haven’t lost their spark.

7). There’s nothing like a Polaroid!

8). The apprentice serves child free
biscuits.

9). When you’re a sheriff, even a few
libations could lead to trouble.

10). Emma is finally experiencing all
the joys that come with living
with your parents.

OBSERVATIONS

WHITE WITCH

Emma: “There’s no sign of that ice witch yet”. This is the first instance that the Snow Queen has been referred to as a witch. Also, both Mary Margaret and Rumpelstiltskin used the phrase, “speaking of which” in this episode.

WILL SCARLET

I love Will and his lines are great but his personality isn’t meshing with the rest of the people in Storybrooke yet. He and Alice played well off each other because they had real chemistry together. She got his humor and knew how to talk to him. We know from Wonderland that he keeps to himself so someone in Storybrooke will need to befriend him before he opens up. Having him hold the picture of the red queen made me realize how much I want to see Anastasia again. There could be some great storytelling by incorporating her into the show. We need some more good guys with magic on the show since the reformed Dark One is slipping.

RADIO STATION

The radio station call letters were
W-O-L-F 98, home of the original party animals. The DJ said the previous song was Left of the Dial by the Replacements. I thought the chorus was appropriate for the situation Hook and Rumple were in.
“On and on and on and on
What side are you on?”

RIP VAN WINKLE

Rip Van Winkle was mentioned by the radio announcer. He was looking for something classic to wake up to.

GRANNY’S DINER

On the radio we also heard the slogan of Granny’s diner, “It’s better than you remember”.

RUMPLESTILTSKIN

Rumple even changed his voice as Palpatine does when he said “Do it!”

THOR’S HAMMER

Again, we get a glimpse of Thor’s hammer in the background of Rumpel’s castle.

MR. GOLD

Mr. Gold had an amazing redemptive arc in the first half of season 3 but ever since he was brought back to life and held captive by Zelena, it’s almost like it never happened. The scene at Neal’s grave and the countless “I want to be a better man” speeches to Belle sound like a broken record. The previous seasons he’s been motivated by finding his son and changing for Belle but now he’s disrespecting his son’s sacrifice, starting his marriage with a lie and refusing to offer his help to anyone in town. He has become a person who wants ultimate power with no restrictions, for his own personal gain. All of his character development has been thrown out the window as he is now just a typical villain who is no longer relatable. The argument could be made that he was changed after he resurrected or that all of the dark ones have encapsulated his body, drowning out the changed man. Although I do like this explanation, we have seen nothing to bring us to this conclusion. Showing that Rumple wanted the hat in the past as well seems to give evidence that this is all him. Very discouraging to see him this way after all the work he had done to be a better man. If all you want is a cliché evil villain, it looks like you got your wish. Belle deserves so much better.

BELLE

Speaking of Belle, she only had 10 words in this episode. With everything Gold is doing it’s disappointing that there isn’t a greater storyline going on between both of them. I know Emilie de Ravin is shooting a new movie called the Submarine Kid and this could be why they are underusing her and not writing her into a great storyline, then again, this could be the reason why she is working on another project. I really hope her fate is not the same as Meghan Ory, Jamie Dornan and Sebastian Stan. Letting them all go was a real missed opportunity. I know there is a Belle centered episode coming up but this is the same thing they did with Ruby. She would get a full episode to herself and then a couple lines here and there. I know we all would rather have it proportioned out through the whole season instead of just one full episode.

HOOK

Here is a man who is generally trying to be a good guy. Rumple who is ‘claiming’ he wants to be a better man has to be blackmailed just to help Elsa, (Where was Belle, by the way, to convince him?) Maybe Hook took it a little too far when we tried to blackmail him to put his hand back on but Rumple killed Milah so any bad blood between them should be gone. Giving him his hand back but making him believe it had been cursed was Gold just being a (insert your derogatory comment here). He did the same thing to Regina when she was trying to change. He’s that little devil on your shoulder and if he can’t be a better man, he’s going to make sure that nobody else can either.

FANTASIA BROOM

I’ve seen tons of jaw dropping CGI in my day, (not on Once Upon A Time sadly), but when that broom starting walking with it’s little hands moving from side to side like it was on mission, I was awestruck. I felt like a little kid again, seeing a cartoon character come to life for the first time. Plus having the music play along with it was great! All it needed was a bucket of water and my day would have been made.

FROZEN REFERENCES

I love Frozen but I’m getting a little burned out on all the references. A couple are fine but when is it too much? They have me saying out loud, “We get it, you’re doing Frozen”. They need to concentrate more on character development and less on trying to figure out where they can fit the Frozen line in this week.

SIDNEY

I read a Facebook post a couple weeks ago that read if you rearrange the letters in Sydney’s name, you get Yen Sid. It is a strange coincidence, especially since Sydney happens to be back this season. What do these writers have up their sleeve for him?

THEORIES

AUTHOR OF THE BOOK

I still hold to my original theory that the Sorcerer is the author of the book. Especially after seeing the apprentice this week and adding more mystery to his identity. I’ve heard that finding the books author will be stretched out over both halves of the season, instead of having two different storylines like last year. A villain who tries to give himself a happy ending while still acting in his evil ways like Rumple, needs to be stopped by a powerful author. The Sorcerer fits this role perfectly. Also, I love the idea of having a good sorcerer who is just as powerful or possibly more powerful than the Dark One. At this point, I want to see the defeat of snarky, manipulative, self serving Mr. Gold. I want the winter finale Gold back.

SWAN

I have nothing to back this up, but what if the last name Swan somehow came from Sarah Fisher. It has never been explained how Emma received this last name. We know Neal gave her a necklace of a swan but it is not confirmed that she went by that last name because of it. She could have already had the name and that’s why he gave her the necklace.

SORCERER

Since the apprentice said “Every Dark One has tried and everyone has failed”, it would seem this hat is common knowledge between all the Dark One’s. Could this be because the sorcerer, being a dark one himself at one time, now possesses the hat? What if he refused to be the Dark One any longer and faced his inner darkness and succeeded. Being made pure, he would be released from the daggers control and now be the rightful owner and guardian of the most powerful hat in the universe. I believe that only a truly good man can wield and possess the power of the hat. Gold may be able to activate it but he won’t be able to control it. Just as Mickey couldn’t in Fantasia.

BURNING QUESTIONS

Does magic still come with a price when you possess the hat?

– Brad

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Keegan Conner Tracy’s audio message

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Podcast plugs:

Disney Vault Talk

Steve Glosson & Teresa Delgado

http://geekoutpodcast.com/dvt/

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Besides Fantasia, what other Disney movie shout outs were there? 4X04 The Apprentice – First Thoughts – 247

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Episode Name: The Apprentice

Episode Number: 247

Show notes can be found at:

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Notes:

The opening shot looked like Jacob’s underground room in Lost, but also the Yen Sid segment in Fantasia

Sorcerer’s Apprentice

The original Zoso Dark One (Played by Brad Dourif)!

Who is the Sorcerer?

“No one who has succumb to the darkness in their heart can ever break it” “Now, Be Gone!” “Every Dark One has tried, but no Dark One will ever possess what is in that box”

Walking broom

Nice shot, Hook. Remember when Graham was playing darts, just before he kissed her and he saw flashes of who his Fairy Tale Land persona was?

Hook will plan the date.

Water? Ice Melting?

Reattach my hand. The other hand represents what Hook was.

“Unlike me, you haven’t changed one bit – Crocodile.”

Review the census records. 1st and 2nd curses? Wow.

Emma’s first date with Hook. Mom making a big deal out of it. The Polaroid picture. Wow, how many youngin’s still remember the Polaroid camera?

Uh, Emma.

Captain Hand.

Dad wanted to drive.

Elsa put the pressure on Kristoff.

Anna and Rumpel.

At the foot of the Dark Mountains. Put this potion in the tea of the Old Man that lives there.

A deal to get the information on why Anna’s parents visited Rumpel.

“alleged devourer of children” Rumpel mentioned skinning children.

Anna double-cross. She’s too good.

“I came here to show you a good time”

The Knave

The hand.

“Not gonna do it”

Is it that Robin Hood still loves you? Isn’t that a good thing?
Shouldn’t you be happy?

Emma’s wearing his jacket. Very Old Fashioned.

Parents waiting up and wanting to hear all about it.

I guess he has changed.

Hook and the struggle with the hand.

Anna lied, but maybe Rumpel is lying, too?

We had a deal.

It was never about him – It was all about you.

This enchantment can only be broken by someone that has been tempted by their inner darkness, and turned away from it.

The test. Like the Tree Cave in The Empire Strikes Back.

We definitely have a full mirroring of Emperor Palpatine and Anakin, and a bit of Yoda and Luke.

Anna doesn’t have an inner darkness. She is nice.

“Do it!” Spoken like a true Dark Lord.

Rumpel is the monster, not Elsa.

Turn love into a weapon.

Hook and Gold. A new deal.

“I’ll do whatever it takes.”

“We have work to do”

Damon on the radio.

More Snow Queen. God’s Eye View (Hitchcock shot)

Walking Broomstick

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Tales from the Mouse House

http://www.talescast.com/

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Snow White, Statue of What? There are new flavors at Any Given Sundae! 4X03 Rocky Road – Main Show – 246

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Main Show – Rocky Road

Episode Number: 246

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From Jeff about blackouts and power lines

There was a lot of talk in a short time period about the power lines. Why didn’t Marshmellow knocking out lines in the city cause a blackout, why did turning a pump on restore power without fixing the lines broken by the wall, etc.

Marshmellow attacked during the day, so while some places did lose power there wouldn’t be a noticeable blackout.

The power line that was knocked down by the ice wall was the main supply line coming from the power plant that the town gets it’s power from

Snow turned on a backup generator (which is why fuel was needed and wasn’t already loaded into the system) which supplied emergency backup power to the town while they’re unable to get power from the main power station outside town.

This might be something people who have the experience I do would think about (I’ve worked in a building where I needed to know how the generators functioned in case of power loss.) but I found it completely logical and made sense in the show.

Jeff
SLC, UT

(We met at Friends of the Magic this year.)

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From Aleana

This was a great episode love the scenes with Elsa and Kristoff they are growing on me like Henry and Regina scene and they teaming up to find author of the book like the advice Dr.Hopper gave Snow basically like every scenes expect Emma and Hook in my opinion I will never like this pairing have to say I’m going to like Will Scarlet aka Kanve on here I knew my theory was right that the Snow Queen is connected to Emma past and Rumple know it’s can’t wait to see how this storyline plays out I do think the Snow Queen is the reason why Snow was born in the hardest of winter look forward to listening

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From Catie

Colleen and Jeff,
I’m a relatively new listener (within the last year) and I’ve always wanted to write in, but never really got around to it. Well, here are my thoughts!
Again with the lost memories??? This is literally the problem with every curse. Which is maybe the point, but also kind of repetitive.
I was re-watching the episode where Belle and Neal bring Rumple back from the dead and I noticed that the way he rises from black goo (whatever that is) looks the same as the way Elsa rises from blue goo and how the Snow Queen rises from gold goo after being in the urn. It makes sense that the Snow Queen and Elsa come out of the urn similarly, but I wonder if there is a connection to Rumple’s “rebirth”. Also, I wonder if the colors of the goo mean something…
When Snow is holding the town meeting, she reminded me of the Statue of Liberty. She was holding a baby instead of a tablet and a meeting agenda instead of a torch, but I still saw a resemblance. I did some research, and the torch is supposed to symbolize peace and progress and the tablet is supposed to represent law. I feel like the baby and the meeting agenda, along with Snow’s personality, cover these areas as well: peace, law, and progress.
It’s interesting that Rumple and Belle are together; Belle is the most incorruptible person ever, whereas Rumple strays down the wrong path constantly. I guess they complete each other, but personally, I think Belle deserves SO much better. (Not to say that I don’t love their relationship.)
What will Hook have to give up for his hand? Magic always comes with a price…
Gold tried to take the high road and be good, and his son died. So, I wonder if, subconsciously, he regrets choosing good because, in the end, being good couldn’t save his son. And maybe that is why he is reverting back to his old ways.
Why are they so mad about the ice wall? It’s not like they can leave anyway!
When David told the story about his father, his father said that “he needed to be better for the boy” (or something along those lines). And he failed. As a kid, I suspect he would have felt like he wasn’t important enough or meaningful enough to his father to get him to change. I want to understand more of David’s childhood and how he became the way he is, despite his father’s impact on him.
Favorite line: “Hey, dairy queen!”
I thinking Emma pulling out her powers when she needed them to save Hook is like when a mother suddenly summons tremendous strength to lift a car off of her baby. When one of the things we love most is in danger, we can accomplish superhuman feats to save them.
Like Colleen, I’m also skeptical about whether the Snow Queen is actually Elsa’s aunt. Maybe she is the one who cursed Elsa in the first place? If she is Elsa’s aunt, maybe she, while she was angry with her sister for treating her like a monster, cursed her sister’s baby. Maybe the Snow Queen herself has a frozen heart? I predict that we’ll get a nice juicy serving of her past, just like we did with Zelena. And maybe we’ll even feel some sympathy for her.
I like that the act of taking someone’s heart has transformed so much. It used to be a purely evil act and usually ended with someone being manipulated or killed. However, more recently, it has taken on a different air. When Snow has Regina take her heart out so that she can split it and share it with David, it is an act of love, not just on Snow’s part, but on Regina’s too, because she cares about Snow. And when Regina pulls out Marian’s heart, she does it out of her love for Robin (and I think even a love for Roland, too). Now it is about love and survival, not death and destruction.
I love that, of all of the fairytales, Hook is the one that ends up with Emma, just because, if you had told me in season 1 that that would even be a remote possibility, I would have thought that was ridiculous. If you go back to the first episode that they interact in, he tells her that she needs him alive to survive, and now, in season 4, we have actually gotten to the point where she does need him alive to survive, just not in the same way. I love how their relationship has evolved and I tip my hat off to Adam and Eddy for making all of that happen.
I think that’s all I have for now! Thank you so much if you’ve made it this far!

With Big Love,
Catie

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From Maii

Hey guys! Hope you’ve had a lovely week!

First of all I agree with Colleen I’m not a nuts in my food kind of girl so Rocky Road has never been my fav I’m more of a chocolate chip cookie dough, coffee or cookies and cream for my ice cream..

Townspeople:

They are coming off a bit *crabby? Like they are becoming a one-trick pony with all their *crabbing and mob mentality.. I mean Snow is carrying a baby at the meeting when everyone is biting her head off..

And Archie? I like you but why not instead of trying to psychoanalyze her you just help her with the stroller? I mean he just stands there looking at her..

Regina (+ Henry/Robin):

I commend her for her maturity in the Robin situation, that is very well handled actually.. She’s being very mature about it..

Bribing your son and telling him half-truths is what got you in trouble in the first place just saying..

It’s completely self-serving, and she got mad at Emma screwing with things and now she wants to completely change things to fit her own gain? Also I’m seriously getting mad at all her little jibes at Emma they aren’t snarky they are just *crabby and annoying

You know what Moongose do right? They EAT Cobras! Operation Cobra was to break the curse.. Like seriously of all the names you choose the one that means you destroy Emma? I have a bad feeling about this

“Actually Emma DOES defend Regina back 3B..She acts like she doesn’t with the townspeople but that was to throw them off the case remember, and she’s always defending Regina when really? The last memory she has is of the woman gleefully murdering her mother…”

I did love Emma’s “I think you’re bitter and taking it out on the wrong person”

bc that’s practically Regina’s character.

Afterthought: Couldn’t they have Roland kiss Marian? I mean Robin knew it wasn’t TLK so why not have Roland try it..

(Jeff I think you mean dreamshade = P )

Putting Marian on ice made me made bc of the trope of putting a woman on ice to further manpain and in this case Marian is LITERALLY frozen…

Frozen Reindeer

This is probably my Scott Michael Foster love but damn he is a perfect Kristoff and I love him.. The reporte Scott and Jack the reindeer have is great..

“That idiot from the southern isles”

“Fine, okay, I’m disobeying her, but she’ll be glad Sven you’ll see..”

“Technically she wouldn’t be a widow because we’re not married…yet”

“Well I never tried to kill her.”

“Dangerous Urn, Keep Away”

“No one thought to check if it was empty?”

The relationship between him and Elsa is great.. It’s the typical we don’t really know each other but we have a person we both truly care about in the middle so we brejudgingly get along.

“He is my friend.” This moment just gave me all the feels because she’s finally realizing she’s got someone on her side other than Anna.. (Did you notice during these scenes Georgina is actually crying? I swear she’s incredible as Elsa)

Gold vs Hook

I think one of my favorite scenes is the blackmail scene actually.. I mean it paints their dynamic perfectly and reminds you just how well these 2 know each other..

No but seriously, he could have asked for anything, anything at all because he knows Gold will never fess up, he won’t lose the power not even with Belle..

and yet he asked for Gold’s help to find out who cursed Marian..Help to clear Elsa’s name..

Honestly this is something that could be easily fixed by just telling Belle the truth

It’s that super awkward moment when the ex-lover of your dead wife, who has tried to kill you for 300 years, and vice versa, knows you better than your current wife

Belle

I don’t normally talk about Belle bc I go back and forth with her..but come on you were so likable in 3B… I just want to scream at her to wake up, I know love blinds you but there’s a difference between blindness and stupidity.. And you’re toeing the line a bit.. You have to open your eyes and see that your husband? Yeah his heart might have love for you but it’s also pretty rotten..

I love Rumple for his complexity I love to hate the guy, I love that he’s still pretty much 70% selfish.. but Belle? For someone who claims to see what’s truly in a person you’re completely on another track…The fact that his web of lies keeps spinning and spinning.. When Belle finds out about this I want her to be mad, and not a quick fix

(Like when she found out his wife was brutally murdered by him bc she dared to leave him and was like it’s ok bb I love you)

I know it’s fairytales but I just hope it can be a bit realistic..

Will Scarlet

“Two Sheriffs that’s just not fair!” I love that honestly because it’s so in character.. And I love how Emma showed him up when breaking into the ice cream shop (David’s face was a mix of pride and what?)

Also I want a comment about Ana, I want to know what happened to my precious queen. (Plus they’ve had a true love’s kiss in OUATIW)

Snow Queen

I’m confused as to what she is exactly… There’s a theory that she was Emma’s foster mother because the look she gave Emma meant she cared about Emma. The moment Rumple talks about her not remember it’s like she regrets it but knows it’s for the best… I’m just really intrigued

With Elsa I think that maybe she was telling the truth in a few things, like maybe her family did trap her but it was because she was completely out of control?

I will say this if by any chance Anna was the one that put her in the urn, she didn’t know about it.. I mean she wasn’t doing it on purpose

Also really happy Elizabeth Mitchell is back on my tv…and she makes a fantastic villain because she’ll all soft spoken and after basically all the villains have been flashy…It’s a good change

Frozen Swan/ Frozen Hook

“With Emma running into danger not a chance in hell, the sheriff’s station is that way.” I just love this and al their moments because it’s like well duh.. Of course we’re not doing that..

Wing-man Elsa giving Hook some Emma advice.. This is one of the reasons I love their friendship because this is someone who knows what Emma is going through..It’s glorious and perfect because although Killian understands pretty much everything about Emma he doesn’t understand everything with the magic, but Elsa does.

She speaks from experience and gives him hope that he’s on the right track.

“I press the Emma Button and she answers usually” This is perfect especially because I am headcanoning that he calls her a lot or is always leaving her voicemails.

“Why should I carry around this ridiculous thing if you’re never there when I use it.” Killian speaking the words we all said once in our lives…

Emma and her magic

That is the most powerful display of magic we’ve seen on the show.. Proof once again that Emma is the most powerful person on the show..Or well that when she reaches her full potential she can be as powerful or even more powerful than the dark one.. We’ve always heard that Love is the most powerful magic of all.. And Emma’s magic? Pure Love Magic

(Can we also talk about Charming immediately running to Hook and desperately trying to free him by chopping at the ice with his lil knife?)

When it comes to saving herself she can’t summon the magic, but saving Killian? Saving Killian and her father? She summons the most powerful magic we’ve seen from her. Because Magic is Emotion.. And Killian is the man she loves, Charming is her father.. Nothing is more emotional than saving their lives..

Captain Swan

(First of all LADIES AND GENTLEMAN WE FINALLY GOT A GRAHAM MENTION…It just took 3 seasons but we got it!)

She’s pissed at him because he got into trouble because she cannot loose him..I mean she has gone from being afraid of taking a chance on him to being afraid of LOSING HIM like she was willing to leave him behind but now she can’t even imagine her life without him.. Their relationship development is amazing

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how Emma is willing to talk and open up about her past? Because the Emma Swan we are used to wouldn’t, a few seasons ago, a few episodes ago, stay to talk with him and tell him what was wrong. She wouldn’t have let her walls down.

She did let them down.

To let him in.

It is such a beautiful episode we got, we saw Emma wanting desperately to put Killian in safety, she needed him to be safe. And we saw how mad she was that he didn’t listen to her – she was furious and her magic was so strong tonight. I do not remember her magic being this strong before – aside with Henry and Zelena maybe? – the point is, Killian’s life was on the line and Emma didn’t think twice, she didn’t hesitate, she saved him, she had to save him.

And the moment that broke me, not just the kiss but the talk before it, is Emma opening up to him. Letting him in, telling him why she is mad – that would never have happened before. But she told him.

She can’t lose him too.

She was on the edge of crying, she was vulnerable she let herself be vulnerable with him.

She let her walls down and let him in, she let him see her, fully, her fears, her worries, and she let him see: she does love him and she can’t lose him.

The duckling is definitely turning into a Swan. Emma is opening up to love, she is opening up to Killian in the most beautiful way

And there’s the fact that if you get the opposite of each word in “I’ll always find you”, you’ll get “You’ll never lose me”. And that just breaks my heart into pieces really..

“Well love you don’t have to worry about me…One thing I’m good at, it’s surviving.” And I died…

Did you guys notice the wedding dress in the background? Right in the middle of them there’s a wedding dress behind Emma..There’s also a rainbow in the scene.. This could mean some serious foreshadowing or it could be just one-off (But I had friends who went to this particular day of shooting and said they filmed this scene like 20 times at least so they wanted it to be there..)

(Images are attached to the email)

We all know what wedding dresses mean, and last season we saw and Emma who was ready to get married to Walsh (the only thing she doubted was the groom) and while I think the next step for them is TLK before Marriage (And I do have a theory that it will happen this season..the TLK I mean) I think the wedding dress symbolism is interesting to say the least. It doesn’t have to mean a wedding just a relationship that is at a level of commitment that a marriage should be..

I am not against Rumbelle and their wedding was adorable but I don’t think as a couple they were at that point you know? You get the impression that though they deeply love each other they don’t know each other..CS is growing together with each coming episode and I do think they will (at least by midseason) be at that point of the relationship where they know each other better than anyone else does..

Rainbows: Again this could mean nothing but I’m taking a chance..

Rainbows come out when the sun is out after a storm.. Emma’s life has basically been one huge storm, it’s been some heavy rain for 28 years and now this relationship could be the rainbow after it. Something beautiful that comes out of the storm when the sun comes out.

Honestly I think this is the best season yet.. because it’s about EMMA (It’s not a million Regina flashbacks or Snowing vs Regina flashbacks) but EMMA who is the main character..and the frozen parts are really great! The characters fit in perfectly!

I’m going to stop talking now bc this is really long already… Love you guys can’t wait to hear your thoughts on this ep!! (AND IT’S ALMOST SUNDAY AND CS DATE!!)

PS: I’m still torn on the deleted scenes thing I think the one they released this wk made no sense while the ones they released last wk did..

Love, Maii

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From Brad

Hello Jeff and Colleen, I hope the snow is calm up there on top of the frozen hills. Here are the things I learned this week on the episode, Rocky Road.

1). Don’t order the sprinkles at Any
Given Sundae.

2). Telling a man, “Can you for once
just do what I say”, is a sure way
to get him to do the opposite.

3). There’s no need to schedule an
appointment with Dr Hopper
because he’ll schedule it for you.

4). A court jester’s job is never fully
appreciated until their gone.

5). It turns out taking back a
kingdom is easier than a Mayor’s
fireside chat.

6). The Enchanted Forest has
terrible ice cream flavors.

7). Hot coca sales are up at
Granny’s.

8). Every phone needs an Emma
button.

9). The vault needs a good summer
cleaning.

10). If you’re going to be a thief, at
least have some morals and be
an honest one.

OBSERVATIONS

WILL SCARLET

I realize that Will is a thief and that’s probably why he doesn’t like sheriff’s but we also have to remember he came from Sherwood Forest. From what I remember, the Sheriff of Nottingham wasn’t known for his pleasant demeanor.

WHITE WITCH

In this episode Hans said to Elsa, “Enough witch, unless you want your sister to be a widow”. It’s the first time we have heard this word used towards a person with ice power. Also, the Snow Queen’s outfit (I’m sure you noticed Jeff) was white.

REGINA

I absolutely loved Regina in this episode more than I ever have. She was down to earth, out of those stiff mayor clothes, showing vulnerability again to Robin and relating with Henry. After everything that has happened, I wasn’t sure what direction she was headed. Having her tell Henry the honest truth about what she’s feeling and giving them a mission, was phenomenal! Henry needs a better storyline and what better way to do it than put them both on a path to find the author. Some people say they are not into this season, I say, what are you crazy!!! REGINA AND HENRY ARE TEAMING UP TO FIND THE BOOKS AUTHOR!!!!! Enough said.

GRUMPY

Grumpy likes to rile the town up by shooting first and asking questions later. Maybe if he was ever wrongfully accused and somebody rescued him he would understand and sympathize but what are the odds of that happening………….

ELSA

Does Elsa’s magic take time to recharge because she wasted a lot of time before Hans took a sword to Kristoff’s neck. I felt like I was watching it in slow motion. She could have taken them all out in no time! This was a very frustrating scene but then Hans got turned to ice so I’ll take that.

SNOW QUEEN

I love that they didn’t drag her identity out for a few more weeks. We just met this Dairy Queen last week and the town already knows who she is. I guess having two
sheriff’s pays off. Now let’s get to the good stuff.

ROLAND

Was anybody else screaming “have Roland kiss Marian!!!!!”. It’s worked when Emma and Regina kissed Henry. Going right to ripping Marian’s heart out was pretty drastic as Regina said.

THE DARK ONE

Mr. Gold without his magic may have been able to be blackmailed but this is the all powerful Dark One, come on! Here are 10 ways he could have easily taken care of Hook.
Poof him away like he did with Hook and Emma.
Turn him into a bug or rat.
Put him in Pandora’s box.
Erase his memory with a potion.
Freeze him in place like Belle.
Rip his heart out.
Turn him into glass like Henry and
Zelina.
Make him explode like Cinderella’s
fairy.
Turn him into a marionette puppet.
Threatened to send a wraith after him.

OPERATION MONGOOSE

I know you brought this up in first thoughts but this was a great name seeing as how operation Cobra was all about breaking the curse and revealing to everyone that Regina was the evil queen. An animal that kills cobras was very fitting and well earned.

THEORIES

ELSA & THE SNOW QUEEN THEORY

If the Snow Queen was trying to teach Elsa a lesson in Storybrooke by showing her people would turn on her when given the chance maybe she did the same thing to her in the past. She was just like Elsa and probably loved her sister just as much until she married a man and became pregnant. By some accident she froze the babies heart and her sister turned against her. With Anna soon to be married, the Snow Queen tells Elsa that history could repeat itself. They both live in the ice castle until Anna, fearing the her sister may hurt people under the influence of the Snow Queen, traps her in the urn.

EMMA’S ADOPTION THEORY

The way the Snow Queen said Emma’s name seemed to be out of fondness for her, not fear. I feel their relationship was a good one or least used to be. The Snow Queen appeared to have feelings for Emma when she saw her. My theory is she came to our world and adopted Emma. After accidentally freezing her sisters unborn child, she is put in a urn to keep her from hurting anybody else. Once Elsa releases her from the urn she feels all alone and seeks out Rumpelstiltskin. She wants a child who will love her unconditionally but feels she will never be able to have one of her own. Rumpel makes a deal with her that would allow her to have a daughter but would require her to travel to another land.
The only downside would be is that when she became of a certain age, in order to break the curse, Emma’s memory would have be erased from ever knowing her and new ones would take their place. This is what Rumpel was referring to when he asked her if Emma remembered her. When Emma’s memories are restored she will feel angry and hurt for being abandoned. We know from the deleted scene that Henry asked Rumple to do this exact thing, was this scene giving us a hint as to what happened in the past? In the end,
Emma will come to see her as Henry sees Regina. An adoptive mother who has done evil but a bond and love that can never be broken. This would also bring Emma closer to Henry and Regina, as she will fully understand their relationship.

MINI ICE CASTLE THEORY

I like the idea that this castle may have neutralized Elsa’s magic. I think it’s also a memorial to remember the time she lived with Elsa in the ice castle.

BURNING QUESTIONS

This episode had us asking what happened to Fredrick…..again.

If Emma is the anti-savior wouldn’t that make her an antichrist? Maybe she should rethink that, just saying.

Brad

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Hi Jeff, Colleen & Lady,
I had a bet with myself as to which Storybrooke character would be the first to utter the line “Let it go!” this season. My money was on Grumpy or possibly Hook since I figured that Adam and Eddie would write it into the show in a joking manner. So I was rather surprised that it was said in all earnestness by Archie Hopper to Snow about her anxious feelings towards literally letting go of her new baby. So I guessed wrong on that one.

I was thrilled Will Scarlet finally made his appearance on the show and I look forward to his witty repartee with characters such as Rumple and Hook. We already got off to a great start with some of his lines to Emma and Charming. I especially liked the one about his past dealings with Sheriffs which I am sure was a nod to the Sheriff of Nottingham in the Robin Hood story.

Finally, I am glad that Hook finally confronted Emma about her constantly pushing him away and got her to admit her fears in losing him. I do so look forward to Sunday’s episode where we get Hook’s sartorial and physical makeover and their “first date”. I am sure Colin O’Donoghue is glad to be trading that long leather coat for a more modern version as I heard him mention in one of his interviews that the costume was extremely heavy.

Take care,
Marilyn

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Comedy Bit:

Any Given Sundae parody ad – Written, voiced and produced by Brad Pogras

Podcast plugs:

Jeremy from the Neverland Podcast
I was tweeting about Walking Dead fans might like Once Upon a Time
And Jeremy replied “with ice cream zombies, you really do have to eat them before they eat you. That should be a t-shirt.”

Skywalking Through Neverland – Star Wars and Disney

http://skywalkingthroughneverland.com

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